SEMGIRL

Hi, I was just your typical 19 year old Seminary girl in South Jersey (if you don't know where I mean, you are probably on the wrong blog). We all have nisoynos, challenges, and experiences, both positive and negative. Here is where I have decided to share some of them.

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Location: Lakewood, New Jersey, United States

Tuesday, January 17, 2006

Time for a New Post

First off I want to thank all my readers for a new record of over 300 comments on the last post..

I think that it is time for a new post.. And I am keeping my word that when things quieted down, I would post.

So for starters, let me do the Tag, that Eishes Chayil reminded me about once or twice .

4 Jobs I’ve had in my life

-Babysitting-Tutoring-Bookeeping
-Computer/Database upgrades.

Without a doubt, the most enjoyable job was with computers. That’s where I learned all about the internet, and software and all kinds of fun stuff. It was also the first job that I had outside the hermetically sealed bubble of Bais Yacov and frum society and got to meet, work with and learn about people from all walks of life and various etnicities. It was a real learning experience and I treasure it greatly.

4 Movies I could watch over and over

Kate and Leopold… SciFi, TimeTravel and Romance, it doesn’t get any better than that.. And Hugh Jackman is absolutely the cutest..My heart beats even faster every time I see it.

Stepford Wives..the most recent version.. It is scary how realistic that movie is. Basically, the only difference between the ladies in that movie and on my block is that the ladies on my block are Frum Jews.

TopGun…. A real feel good movie. Its very heartwarming. And the main characters in the movie are so unbelievably handsome, its mesmerizing..

Bridges of Madison County… I cry each and every time I watch it..

4 Places I’ve lived

-Lakewood
-Monsey
-Yerushalyim
-New Hampshire Just for a month, one summer, I loved it up there.

4 TV shows I love to watch

Since I started my blog and going to school I have no time for TV. But sometimes by Lunch in the College lounge I used to be addicted to Bold and the Beautiful
In High School, often I went to my friends to see BH 90210. Actually, my friends in HS were just Yeshivishe versions of the main characters in that show.
I’m also a tremendous West Wing fan

4 places I’ve been to on Vacation

New Hampshire
Orlando and Epcot Center
Israel
Belgium

4 WebPages I visit daily

Elisheva’s Blog
Yahoo
Shoshana
Google, obviously its such an incredible resource..

4 places I’d rather be

In Bnei Brak on a Friday right after Shkia , in the street right near Colel Chazon Ish where you can hear and feel Shabbos Kodesh descending on the earth.

By a close friends Chasana by the dancing when all the girls have different costumes

At the Spa , getting a facial, manicure, and a complete makeover, with the mud treatment

On a tropical island, in a hut that smells of jasmine sipping fragrant wine, snuggled up next to a very cute , tall, muscular bochur who is Yeshivish, but also has Savoir Faire.. (hey a girl can fantasize cant she)

4 Books I’ll read over and over again

-From Sarah to Sara everyone is a role model.
--Gateway to Happiness by H Pliskin
--Farenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury
-- any Harlequin Romance novel, especially the futuristic ones

Now I tag

.… Frumgirl Elisheva TurquoiseBlue HNC

In other news..I recently was emailed a link to Chana’s blog. She writes phenomenally and claims to be 17, although I find it very hard to believe that she isn’t 30, because she is so mature and incredibly articulate. I am looking forward to many great articles from her.

200 Comments:

Blogger Elisheva said...

First comment??? Yay!!!

Now i have to read it...

1/18/2006 12:13 AM  
Blogger Know It All said...

Second comment! Woo hoo!

1/18/2006 12:17 AM  
Blogger Elisheva said...

Okay, now I read it. Thanx for the honorable mention. Truly humbling, and from a blog with over 300!

I'm not sure what this tag thing is all about, plus It'll be boring because I don't watch TV, an not really movies either. But if you could explain it...

And that Friday night in Bnei Brak comment brought back such strong memories, I really have tears in my eyes even now as I am typing. Some thing are just so precious. What I wouldn't give to experience that now again.

Okay, I better go calm down,

Shalom

1/18/2006 12:25 AM  
Blogger Eshet Chayil said...

elisheva, don't feel bad, I don;t have a tv either and still managed to pull this tag off. Psst...I finally got someone to get me stepford wives. I watched it. After all the hype, I couldn't move away from the screen. I think I've watched it 11 times so far. Looks like a new trend for me...lol

1/18/2006 12:28 AM  
Blogger Life is so good said...

semgirl:
I was waiting for this post for so long, and really wanted to be first.. I guess elisheva felt because you were 1st by her she'll be first by you.. I call that inside trading!!!

1/18/2006 1:10 AM  
Blogger Flatbushyid said...

SG

Not much for me to comment on as I don't watch tv nor movies but I would think that it should be your husband you were snuggled up to not a bocher as a fantasy, no?

1/18/2006 2:34 AM  
Blogger Pragmatician said...

While I understand it was new and fascinating to work out there in the "real" world, my experience has taught me that life is easier(not always more interesting) when working by and with frum Jews.
Of course the price to pay is the lousy "pay":)
I know few women who are as bad as the ones on stepford, then again I know very few chassidic ladies.

ps.congrats for the 300+ comments

1/18/2006 6:48 AM  
Blogger FrumSingleGuy said...

If I may comment...sounds to me like you need to find yourself a tall handsome yeshivish charismatic hunk...hmmm Good luck!

Nice selections in your post. LOL, I alos liked the way you interdespersed your "Tags" with comments and explanations. Nice post!

1/18/2006 8:56 AM  
Blogger yeshivaguy said...

"sounds to me like you need to find yourself a tall handsome yeshivish charismatic hunk..."

I don't think "yeshivish" is necessary. And maybe a guy who's a little chunky (aka a guy with a "robust physique") would work?

1/18/2006 9:42 AM  
Blogger geshmaker said...

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1/18/2006 10:30 AM  
Blogger geshmaker said...

first version removed for spelling corrections:
before i start i would like to give shout out to BMG bochur, we're gonna miss him, hope he comes up with a good secret alias (funny thing considering that's what we all are, technically speaking) to comment with from time to time.

STEPFORD WIVES?????????
i know your gonna say "your a guy, you wouldn't understand" (in your usual "man-bashing" style) but even my wife said it was one of the worst movies she has ever seen. personaly i see no comparison between the movie and anything i've seen or experienced in real life. in my opinion it's just a dumb sci-fi flick, with a not-so-great
"chap" at the end. (interesting that "top gun" made your list, not that it isn't a great movie, but i would have thought it was before your time)
also interesting was the disparity between the fist and last place you'd "rather be" list, a tad schizo, wouldn't you say?

1/18/2006 10:35 AM  
Blogger FrumGirl said...

Hey... congrats on the 300+ comments... and thank you for tagging me...

I also loved Farenheit 451... and all 'utopian' style books. Its always good to think. I finally had a chance to see Stepford Wives... I did think of you when I saw it! Geshmaker was commenting on the lack of oomph of the movie, not about the overall message that gets you upset...

Can you email me about what this tag is supposed to be... 4 answers to each category listed?

1/18/2006 10:56 AM  
Blogger Y.Y. said...

interesting choices of 4
you seem to be spiritual too.
hope the comments hit 500 soon ;)
have an enjoyable day!

1/18/2006 12:02 PM  
Blogger Dave J. said...

Great Post! We are limited to very few tags in the comments oh well... By the way I got to agree with geshmaker stepford wives was not the greatest movies to say the least, but then again I am a guy. So SG do you want to be like one of those wives?

1/18/2006 2:20 PM  
Blogger Chillin in The Lake said...

I think as someone mentioned its funny from Bnei Brak to fantasizing about snuggling next to a yeshivishe hunk (what an oxymorone) but I guess the whole 4 places you want to be are oxymoronic, as some other parts of this post. But girls are girls, as much as we think they have a funny way of thinking, we cant live without them. I dont think stepford wives was so cute but Im a guy of course.
Besides pardon my ignorance what is the idea of 4????

1/18/2006 3:00 PM  
Blogger shy said...

Wow I didn't know that there are pple who watch TV in Lakewood.

1/18/2006 4:01 PM  
Blogger LakewoodWorkingGuy said...

I think your readers are quite disapointed that you didnt post something controversial. Maybe your next post will get over 300 again.

1/18/2006 5:05 PM  
Blogger Halfnutcase said...

semgirl i posted my response meme, though its more a meme of threes rhan fours (and i'm terrible about book titles, people names, place names etc... so i dont think mine is all to interesting but i put it up anyway)

anyway, thanks for tagging me. :-)

1/18/2006 5:32 PM  
Blogger Parsha Potpourri said...

Speak for yourself working guy. Nowhere did SG express her desire to make every guy drool and give him something to fantasize about. There's plenty of other sites for that. Keep being your wonderful self SG!

PS Bizarre that I just had to write such a post on Elisheva's blog, though I don't think LWG is the pruste guy who posted over there.

Still sad that there's so many repressed guys whose only outlets are the blogs of young Lakewood girls - perhaps there's a topic for you...

1/18/2006 6:24 PM  
Blogger Semgirl said...

Shev.. you made it this time, thanks

EC.. hope you liked it.

Life is So Good..I'm sorry, funny you mention insider trading, because I actually emailed Shev before I posted.. I am happy whenever, you visit, though.

FY..like you never fantasize about anyone but your wife, GET REAL..

Prag.. I agree with you, but often, you have to take a job where you can get it, especially if you are entry-level.

FSG..thanks

YG .. Personally, I like very slim and muscular.

1/18/2006 6:40 PM  
Blogger Semgirl said...

also interesting was the disparity between the fist and last place you'd "rather be" list, a tad schizo, wouldn't you say?


Its called being well rounded, and having a vareity of interests and desires, I realize thats incomprehensible (yes I realize that might be mispelled) to someone who spent his whole life in the BMG Dorm.

YY..thanks I appreciate it.

MB..its just a very eery movie, funny movie, I know the critcs didn't give it a thumbs up. And asfor your question read my earlier posts and you will have your answer..

Chillin.. you are right I believe Discover mag this month or last had a fascinating article about the difference in the way female and male minds work..
4 is just the Tag, as Eishet presented it to me..

Shy.. are you serious.. The guy who set up the cable-internet in my father's office said that the majority of his customers are 'Chasidic' ppl. One has a TV hid in the fireplace, one in a wall safe. etc..

1/18/2006 6:51 PM  
Blogger typically frum said...

how could someone who was watching movies in high school really call themselves yeshivish??

1/18/2006 7:05 PM  
Blogger Semgirl said...

interesting that "top gun" made your list, not that it isn't a great movie, but i would have thought it was before your time)

Obviously. actually its my mother's favorite mov, and every single trip she takes a portable DVD player and the Top Gun and Wedding Singer DVDs with her , so it grows on you after a while..

1/18/2006 7:16 PM  
Blogger geshmaker said...

am i to assume you weren't raised in the same "sheltered" environment as elisheva?
in defense of my previous comment there is a differance between "well rounded" and flat out twisted! i don't think anything i wrote warranted the "bmg dorm" line. i would like to consider myself pretty open minded, and besides i was never in bmg "dorm". i did my time in the IRV. and anyone whose been there can explain to you the differance.
BTW- top gun is good, but best all time is still the original STAR WARS trilogy.

1/18/2006 7:21 PM  
Blogger Halfnutcase said...

sem girl you have some very widely ranging interests.

and at least to me it seems movies are so much a problem. (at least as long as you excercise good sense!)

and idk, the wide ranging answers to where i want to be makes absolutely perfect sense to me, the better the soul the more taivos it has, and the harder it has to fight them (where is all the avoda of a powerfull yeitzer tov and a weak yetzer hara?)

although sem girl, a friend of mine actualy complains there arent enough jewish men who are tall and take care of their physique

1/18/2006 7:31 PM  
Blogger Flatbushyid said...

SG

You missed my point why wouldn't you fantasize being with a husband as you are single now, why does it have to be with a bocher, or are you saying that even after marriage this would be your fantasy?

PS I know this might be hard to believe but I really don't fantasize being with anyone but my wife she is enough for me. I hope your husband will do the same or are you saying that it wouldn't even bother you if he did, because that is the normal thing for a man to do?

1/18/2006 7:48 PM  
Blogger Chana said...

Thank you so very much for the link..I'm very honored.

As for the Stepford Wives reference- I agree with you...when I first saw that movie, I was frightened.

But then again, The Truman Show (is that the name?) always frightened me, too...

1/18/2006 9:41 PM  
Blogger ms. shtark said...

semgirl, wow you have a wide range of interests.
i have seen stepford wives but not the others - it was ok. but i thought that these days in lw there are all types so i don't see the total analogy(i rarely watch videos - i get a headache from staring at a screen too long)
i have to agree with pragmatician that it is safer to work with frum ppl. but i find that sometimes you get taken advantage of in a frum office because most jews always want a deal (and shouldn't we all be doing chesed for ppl? right - u get caught in that catch 22) ppl in a frum office may also be more nosy about your life but that is probably cuz they care - kol yisroel arevim ze laze. on the other hand, u are right that u get 2 meet very interesting ppl in a nonfrum office.
i liked your choice of books. i also liked hitch hiker's guide to the galaxy.
in 12th grade english i did a project contrasting a clock work orange by anthony burgess with brave new world by aldous huxley. that was a real cool one. (i think the only english assignment i really enjoyed writing)

1/18/2006 10:08 PM  
Blogger Elisheva said...

I agree with HNC about the bigger the person, the bigger the tayvos. Actually I think the gemara says that. I guess one of the boys would have the reference for that (or Semgirl with her Artscrol!) Kol hagadol mechavero...

So I think Semgirl is perfectly normal, though I wouldn't use the term well-rounded for this. More like we have a neshama with like huge she'ifos but we also have a human body hashem gave us with like real strong desires. That is so normal. Anyone who denies that is like living the dreamworld some teachers prech in school and it gets nowhere, because it is just so not true.

About the 'insider trading' I did get an e-mail from my friend SG about the new post, but you have to realize that i am not exactly on like half as much as i'd want. Like I missed all Semgirl's 200, 250 and 300th posts. So it was like real cool, and I was so happy that I just logged on and saw the e-mail and clicked over to her and made it on time!

My 'kollel friend' once told me to find out if a certain guy I was being 'red' was in the 'dorm' or the 'Irv'. He said it can really be like a major difference. So I guess Gesh has a point. But he did tell me you can't rule someone out just based on that, but that it could help him just to know.

Shalom

1/18/2006 10:19 PM  
Blogger ms. shtark said...

hey what IS the difference between the bmg dorm and the irv?

1/18/2006 10:31 PM  
Blogger Semgirl said...

MS...you mean to tell me you never dated an Irv bochur ???

1/18/2006 11:04 PM  
Blogger Chillin in The Lake said...

I cant believe girls dating dont yet know the diffrence between the Irv and the Dorm. Of course to every rule there are exceptions but an Irv or Dorm guy are very different usually. Its good to know these things dont get too far. I always thought everyone knew all about it. Besides, if the bigger the Taivah the bigger the person can be, I guess I can really be pretty good.
I just dont think I should publicize the diffrence to ppl who dont know and have no reason to know. Acctually Im really fighting my Yetzer now and not gonna tell all..

1/18/2006 11:11 PM  
Blogger Semgirl said...

"PS I know this might be hard to believe but I really don't fantasize being with anyone but my wife she is enough for me."

Give me a break.. Either you are full of it, or you are such a big Tzadik, that you should be sitting in front of a Gamarra instead of wasting time on my silly blog. My father said by the Shabbos table that there was a Yungerman who asked the heilger Manchester Rosh Yeshiva Ztz”l, if he could go to a cousin’s wedding. There would be mixed seating, and mingling of the genders, but he’s married and he doesn’t think about other women. The RY answered him. “Zulst mir nisht einreddin kin shtissin, Ich been an altr Yid fin ochzik yor un sibrent mir nuch” (I am an old Jew of eighty yrs and the Yetzer Hara still burns in me.)

1/18/2006 11:11 PM  
Blogger Chillin in The Lake said...

Well said Semgirl.
I am married and unfortunatly have to agree. But I cant comment for others.

1/18/2006 11:13 PM  
Blogger Chillin in The Lake said...

I do want to clarify that the way a bochur fantasizes and a happily married guy does is different.

1/18/2006 11:14 PM  
Blogger ThinkingJew said...

True story, but it was R' Elya Lopian and is brought down in many places that it was him. (I know many people cringe at reading about R' Falk's book, I am not his biggest chossid, but just for reference, he brings the story about R' Elya), and R' Sholom Shwadron, R' Elya's talmid said it over many times about R' Elya. It was a bachur who wanted to go to a wedding where the women wouldn't be dressed properly, but he reassured R' Elya that he has no problem with that. To which R' Lopian asked him for his mother's name. The bachur was puzzled. R' Elya told him that if he, in his 90s, still had a problem, then a young bachur without a problem must be unwell and he would daven for him.

Still, while a married guy also has thoughts, it is definitely a different thing than to actively fantasize about a different woman. There is a thought about what he has seen, and a full-blown fantasy. A person in a healthy marriage i would think would be able to not have the latter. Semgirl, would you not think that you can give your husband enough to help him not go for the full-blown thoughts about another lady?

1/18/2006 11:52 PM  
Blogger Flatbushyid said...

SG

Looking at a pretty girl passing you on a street and sitting in your house fantasizing to be in bed with a pretty girl are two different things. Of course everyone has a yatzar hora but come on you don't see the difference. I should truly hope that no matter if a person is yeshivish, chassidish, modern orthodox, ultra orthodox, left wing, ring wing whatever once he is married, he doesn't sit in his house fantasizing about different women, that marriage is in trouble you have a sick man and a bad marriage on your hands. The manchester rosh hayeshivah was not talking about that.

1/18/2006 11:57 PM  
Blogger Elisheva said...

I still have no clue what this tag thing is all about, and what I am supposed to do. Just answer the questions? So what is the 'tag' part? Sorry, I guess I never learned that part of the blog world.

1/19/2006 12:34 AM  
Blogger Halfnutcase said...

e;isheva, you take each catagory that semgirl listed and you give your four answers to it.

and on the other topic it is so true that anyone who doesn't have a problem with it is ill. i know someone who like soo totaly doesn't and he is very ill.

1/19/2006 6:18 AM  
Blogger LakewoodWorkingGuy said...

PP why cant a man make an observation without it being translated into something he didnt mean. It was just a comment without any insinuation.

1/19/2006 10:11 AM  
Blogger Dave J. said...

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1/19/2006 12:27 PM  
Blogger Dave J. said...

Flatbushyid said... I should truly hope that no matter if a person is yeshivish, chassidish, modern orthodox, ultra orthodox, left wing, ring wing whatever once he is married, he doesn't sit in his house fantasizing about different women
You remind of a recent study, they did a study of men and found that: 90% of men fantasize, and 10% lie about it.... Sounds to me like you are part of the 10% :)

1/19/2006 12:29 PM  
Blogger Eshet Chayil said...

lol I've never heard of anyone having a tv in the fireplace. That's so funny. But I have heard of people having them in the closet. I was lucky growing up if I got to hear my father listening to news on the radio at night. SG, I'll answer your email after school. Thanks for thinking of me.

1/19/2006 12:34 PM  
Blogger Flatbushyid said...

MB

Who took that survey of frum people or are you quoting Masters and Johnson, nebich on you.

1/19/2006 12:37 PM  
Blogger ms. shtark said...

semgirl, i only dated irv guys. i thought it was the only place where they slept. i was just asking because i never heard of the bmg dorm. don't worry, it was explained to me

1/19/2006 1:04 PM  
Blogger Dave J. said...

flatbushyid said... Who took that survey of frum people or are you quoting Masters and Johnson, nebich on you. Who care who did the study, the implication is simple ... 100% of men fantasize and the 10% who say they don’t are lying… so you decide are you part of the 90% or the 10%.

1/19/2006 1:09 PM  
Blogger Dave J. said...

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1/19/2006 1:27 PM  
Blogger geshmaker said...

sounds like an old joke i once heard about a survey taken of what percentage of men sing in the shower....
a bit less yeshivish, but i would say your survey is the same thing- a JOKE! don't take everything you get in an email seriously, most of it was made up by some bored guy with too much time on his hands.

1/19/2006 1:29 PM  
Blogger Dave J. said...

Geshmaker DUH!!!
It was flatbushyid who didnt pick up on it being a joke. I wrote the joke to make the point....

1/19/2006 1:29 PM  
Blogger normal1 said...

Am I the only only one who is getting tired of eshet chayils act(playing the pure innocent little girl)? We get it. You lived a very sheltered life and you don;t know anything about tv, movies, boys... blah blah blah. Maybe Geshmaker can teach you the ways of the world because he certainly thinks he's so knowledgeable.
On the topic of fantasizing- Semirl- you really need a long cold shower.. The fact is married people DO NOT sit around fantasizing about "cuddling" with another woman who's not his wife while watching a movie. We save our fantasies for bigger things than that.

1/19/2006 3:02 PM  
Blogger Halfnutcase said...

her fanasy proves she's alive and healthy, so what? it's not like she's indulging in it, because she said she's been shomer negia scince elul, so why on earth beat her over the head for having a fantasy? i don't see the point, judaism does not condemn people for thoughts. (we're not the other side anyway)

1/19/2006 3:23 PM  
Blogger Masmida said...

>In Bnei Brak on a Friday right after Shkia , in the street right near Colel Chazon Ish where you can hear and feel Shabbos Kodesh descending on the earth.
-or-
>On a tropical island, in a hut that smells of jasmine sipping fragrant wine, snuggled up next to a very cute , tall, muscular bochur who is Yeshivish, but also has Savoir Faire.. (hey a girl can fantasize cant she)

This is bothering me, I'm not sure entirely why, but maybe its the fact that there is one spiritual and one physical and ne'er do the twain meet.

that meeting is where holiness is.

don't entirely understand

1/19/2006 3:35 PM  
Blogger geshmaker said...

SG- why is your "leave your comment" box at the top of the page? it gets more and more annoying as the posts add up, and you have to scroll up to post after reading what the last person wrote.
Norm-
"Maybe Geshmaker can teach you the ways of the world because he certainly thinks he's so knowledgeable"
i'm not sure what i did to get on your bad side, but once we're at it........what song do you sing ;)

1/19/2006 4:05 PM  
Blogger Semgirl said...

MB...Touche..

EC... Apparently, you use a remote to lower a shelf in a defunct fireplace..

Normal1...
"Semirl- you really need a long cold shower.." Alone ??? Or is that an offer..

Masmida...
"This is bothering me, I'm not sure entirely why, but maybe its the fact that there is one spiritual and one physical and ne'er do the twain meet."

You need to take a chill pill, girl.. I am not a difficult Rambam, I can have contradictions, lol..

1/19/2006 4:20 PM  
Blogger On The Derech said...

Hey SemGirl,
I'm new to the blogashpere, and I've read your blog from begining to end. You seem to be a realy complicated girl! But this post was fairly parve so there's not much for me to comment on. I look forward to commenting in the future. (check out my blog and comment too! I realy think you'd like it!)

And i dont know if this makes me ignorant, but i've dated Lakewood Boys and i do not know the diference between the Irv and the Dorm. I know where the Irv is and i know that there ARE other dorm buildings, but what is the diference of the guys who live in each? Some has got to explain this!!

1/19/2006 5:45 PM  
Blogger Halfnutcase said...

masmida not every one gets to the point where they can appriciate that. i think sem girl is going to get there some time but i think shes still making that transition, she has alot of attachment to holiness, but she has alot of attachment to the mundane too, and i think shes on her way to learning to bring the two together, but not quite yet.

and semgirl, if your still thinking like this, then you may want to wait about thinking about any shidduchim, because once people make this transition their entire taste in the opposite sex changes radicaly, and i wouldn't be suprised if people who make that transition after marrying become increasingly unhappy in their marraiges (though i've not heard of studies to support that much)

and hope you don't mind the unsoliced advice, its there you can take it or leave it, i'm not trying to preach or anything

1/19/2006 6:58 PM  
Blogger Run Away said...

stepford wifes was a lame-o movie

1/19/2006 10:38 PM  
Blogger Jewboy said...

Call me ignorant, but what the hell is the Irv? I'm gathering that the Irv and the dorm are two different BMG dorms, but what is the difference? At my yeshiva there was the Katz and the Gudelsky, so that's all I know about.

1/19/2006 10:40 PM  
Blogger Semgirl said...

JewBoy...Come to Lakewood and see for yourself..

HNC...Thanks for your wise insights as usual..

OTD..thanks for visiting, always nice to meet someone coming from the same place as me..

Gesh..is there a way to adjust the C Box..

1/19/2006 11:16 PM  
Blogger turquoiseblue said...

SG - you have an eclectic taste for stuff... 91210 - wasn't that in "MY" times?!! Like more than a decade and half ago...?

Me tagged? Alright, Me try...

1/20/2006 12:46 AM  
Blogger Chillin in The Lake said...

Semgirl I think its time for a new post. The comments are really off the mark and not going anywhere. By the way, Derech have you dated guys from both, the Irv and the Dorm?

1/20/2006 1:08 AM  
Blogger Semgirl said...

Chillin...I tend to agree with you, but EC asked me to do the Tag, so I did it.. Next case...

Now, I can go back to writing about Shidduchim and Lakewood annoyances..

1/20/2006 8:49 AM  
Blogger On The Derech said...

Chillin - I think that i've dated both. It was not very recently and I'm having a hard time remembering! One guy was forsure from the Irv and one guy was forsure from the "crazy house" (I think that's the name) lol! Now can someone explain the diference to me? Are Irv guys more fun and Dorm guys more serious?

SG - Thanks for the warm welcome!

1/20/2006 9:22 AM  
Blogger Chillin in The Lake said...

Lakewood annoyances thats fun. Shidduchim thank g-d im out of it but its cute how the girls and guys feel about it. Not too long ago I was there too. LOL. So Semgirl you did the tag time to move on...

Derech well for starters your doing pretty good what are the diffs between Irv and Dorm. There is more and of course dont forget there are exceptions to every rule. Its more like for some girls the Irv is the way to go and for some the Dorm, and then for some the Crazy house. (that was a joke) Besides we should not bring that up on this post cause it has nothing to do with it, but which comments do? As I said before I dont think its right to disscus this for all to see, cause not everyone needs to know and not everyone will get it but I can e-mail you if its for a reason that can help.

1/20/2006 9:46 AM  
Blogger On The Derech said...

Chillin - Being that I am (B"H) not in the shidduch scene anymore, i guess me knowing the diference wont realy help anyone! it'll just help satisfy my curiousity!

SG - we're ready for a new post!

1/20/2006 9:59 AM  
Blogger On The Derech said...

Chillin - I know this has nothing to do with Semgirl's blog, but do you have a blog?

1/20/2006 10:00 AM  
Blogger shmuel said...

The Irv is for Semgirl and her ilk, and the dorm is for Elisheva's type.

1/20/2006 10:43 AM  
Blogger ImJustAsking said...

Semgirl. I was not aware that this is a single girls blog. I thought it was a jewish blog in general. I did not want to come off sounding like that, but just wanted and honest answer. Do you know of a blog where I can pose this question without offending anyone? Thanx for your help!

1/20/2006 10:52 AM  
Blogger Semgirl said...

Shmuel...you got that right, although you don't really know Shev, as well as you think, LOL..

1/20/2006 12:06 PM  
Blogger Semgirl said...

ImJustAsking... Sorry if I came off a bit harsh.. I am trying to avoid the conversation spiraling out of control, here..

Try wwww.yoetzet.org , and they should be able to help you..

1/20/2006 12:10 PM  
Blogger Frum Singles said...

whats a dorm type and whats an irv type.

1/20/2006 12:21 PM  
Blogger bmgbochur said...

FYI there are 4 dorms in Lakewood. There is the Irvington (known as the Irv) , the dorm, the house (across from yeshiva) and the crazy house (used to be an institution) that is a block from the Irv.

Everyone of the dorms “generally” cater’s to a different crowd. The dorm is “usually” more yeshivish and the Irv, more chilled out.

I know guys in every dorm that are different then the regular (some harry’s, some chasidish etc.), the Irv is a big dorm with lots of down to earth guys etc. Guys who will go out and have a fun time ... But there are guys in all the other dorms that are the same also.

When you come to yeshiva they tell you where to sleep, you don't get an option.

Everyone would rather the irv, but its not possible. And I personally know guys that are in the irv, that you would NEVER go out with in a million years.. Chasidish satmer, fafrumpt, whatever you want call them.
And yes one can switch dorms, but usually when you come and settle in you're not in the mood of switching around, especially if you have a good room or a good roommate..

Basically saying if you are ever ‘red’ a shidduch from one of the other dorms, besides from the irv, it doesn’t necessarily mean that you will be going out with some looser. And if you go out with a guy from the irv, it doesn’t necessarily mean your getting the most normal of guys!!

Not sure when the next time ill make my next appearance, so till then everyone have a good shabbos, and a good week

BB

1/20/2006 12:42 PM  
Blogger normal1 said...

Semgirl said...
Normal1...
"Semirl- you really need a long cold shower.." Alone ??? Or is that an offer..
Actually SG, I was actually fanasizing about cuddling with you while watching the stepford wives AGAIN.
You know what I find funny? In real life SG is probably the same repressed Bais yaacov girl that all of us have either dated or are married to. Once these girls can put it in print while hiden in the cover of the internet- all of a sudden they are out of their shell.
By the way, lets please stop talking about the stepford wives! It was a subpar movie at best. The only reason why eshet chayil saw it 11 times is because she never saw any other movie in her whole life. apparently the flashing colors and bright lights amazes her. because as you all know EC is a nice innocent girl.
Also, Im tired of all the praise for 300 posts! who cares? why is this being portrayed as some sort of victory for SG? If theres one thing that makes me very nervous about this blog, is all the verbal butt-kissing that goes on in here.
And quite frankly all this firt post nonsense is kind of childish.. "I was first", "I was third".. does anyone really care?
Halfnutcase,
"i don't see the point, judaism does not condemn people for thoughts. (we're not the other side anyway)"
Uh, yes it does for those kind of thoughts. please , if your gonna post halacha know what your talking about.
Geshmaker,
Where have you been, I can't wait to hear more of your useless pondering.

Thats it for today, Good Shaboos

1/20/2006 12:46 PM  
Blogger normal1 said...

Why does BMG think we care when he will post again. Is anyone aside for IYBM care if he ever posts again?

Just wondering

1/20/2006 2:13 PM  
Blogger Elisheva said...

It's funny to see how people have down pat what type of dorm has the guys for me. I think he had a point, but so was Semgirl.

BTW my brother says the crazy house is mostly chassidish guys.

And Normal, this is SGs blog, but I couldn't resist asking why it is you think anyone cares what YOU think about everyone else's comments???

Shalom

1/20/2006 3:27 PM  
Blogger bmgbochur said...

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1/20/2006 3:50 PM  
Blogger bmgbochur said...

elisheva:
yes you are right, the crazy house, has "mostly" chasidim, but "not all". i know some (more then a handfull) guys that are there that are far from chasidish, i guess more the irv type guy.
so its a bit hard to stero-type the Dorms...

1/20/2006 3:57 PM  
Blogger tzvi5 said...

As a former Irv guy, why are you such a jerk? B"h, I am happy that all my roomates were like BMG_B and not like you..

1/20/2006 4:08 PM  
Blogger tzvi5 said...

Sorry, My last comment was directed at Normal1

1/20/2006 4:09 PM  
Blogger ~ Sarah ~ said...

i've just discovered your blog. well done! it's interesting and enlightening and great to read the opinions, experiences and comments and especially to learn a bit more about lakewood! (never been there but have heard much!)
Good luck with everything :)

1/21/2006 7:55 AM  
Blogger geshmaker said...

all who think that "life is good" is an alias for bmg-bochur, say ay. the style is just too distinct. bmgb- if you want to stay anonymous you gotta stop kissing up to the girls. if this keeps up i'm gonna start checking out only simchas for an engagement of a brooklyn guy to a lakewood girl, and then we'll all know who semgirl and bmgb really are.
all joke aside,
norm- if you didn't come across as such a jerk, i would have to agree with alot of what you said. you sound like a dissgruntled kollel guy. what's the matter, not getting it when you need it so you have to hit on single girls in lakewood to get your kicks. i think there are too many guys like you in lakewood, sitting in kollel when you should have gone to work years ago, but you don't have the guts. so you go online and harrass people to boost your self ASSteem. SG & elisheva i would watch my back, you never know when a sicko like normal1 is checking you out.
btw, what's with IY"Hbyme? as soon as bmgb dissapears so does she. think it's a coincidence?

1/21/2006 8:09 PM  
Blogger bmgbochur said...

geshmaker:
ok ill answer, yes life is so great was me.. i was thinking about returning under an alias, but i guess thats not gonna work because you know my style of writing.
and "check out only simchas for an engagment" not so fast, sorry charley... im really doubting it. (but thanks)

and yes iy"h by me, what happened??? ok she emailed me, but she's older than me, and i am not interested at this momment in going out with someone older. (am i wrong??? [ok am i starting a new discussion????])

normal 1: mind your own business.

tzvi 5: thanks a million.

gut voch all:)

1/21/2006 8:32 PM  
Blogger geshmaker said...

YES!!! the small pleasures in life. you can't hide from me! although seriously, i know a blog is a lousy place to start up a shidduch, as anyone can be hiding behind the "username" facade. however i'm surpised to find out that the king of all egotistic bochurim isn't self confident enough to go out with an "older girl" what's the problem not man enough? think she'll wear the pants in the house? i have plenty of friends who married older girls and they have very normal marriages. on the other hand if you're a wimp and you marry a strong minded woman, age doesn't make a differance she will OWN you! (and everyone is gonna know it) so if you think your this hot-shot, sophisticated "best guy in BMG" why don't you give an older girl a shot? unless this whole attitide of yours is nothing more then a "blogging" facade. (something which i'm inclined to believe) once again i'm not "redding" you to IY"Hbyme, i don't know her and i don't know you. but the concept that you won't go out with an older girl is (in my opinion) ludicrous! (after giving it some thought though i realize that you always said your from "brooklyn" leaving 'where' wide open. with that in mind, if your from B.P. allot more about you makes sense)

1/21/2006 9:11 PM  
Blogger Semgirl said...

Gesh you are funny.. And you are so on the money about normal.. Guess he has to pick on me because his wife would hand him his teeth..

BMG-B personally I dont think you should rule it out only based on age unless you are 23 and she is 28. If its only like a yr, and she's very attractive, and intelligentt and Middosdik give it a shot..

1/21/2006 9:13 PM  
Blogger bmgbochur said...

wow, sg, you can be a great shadchan, jk (but maybe)
being only 23, i dont really see a need for me to go out with older girls, i understand that maybe my ego is a bit high, at least at this moment, but i feel that having a wife older then me will not have a positive effect on a marriage.
i may be very wrong, after all i am a young unmarried guy, but that is my feeling.
i never said that guys shouldnt marry older girls, as i have realtives who have, and friends as well, but for myself that is what i feel.

on a serious note, if i am red a shidduch with a girl that is within a "normal" age diffrence then me, i will not rule it out, because yes, the way geshmaker put it, maybe its not a bad idea after all.

1/21/2006 9:42 PM  
Blogger Flatbushyid said...

BMGbocher


I don't think a 23 year old should go out with a girl older then him. Usually a girl starts dating at 19 that means she has been dating at least 4 years to the boys tops one year. I will not explain why that usually causes problems I hope it is obvious. Once a girl is 27 or so it is no big deal if the girl is a little older then him. Sorry to sound nosy why no date tonight?

1/21/2006 11:56 PM  
Blogger Flatbushyid said...

Sorry forgot to add and the boy is 26, 27 then it isn't as big a deal.

1/21/2006 11:58 PM  
Blogger Semgirl said...

What makes you say..no date. Maybe it was before or after the date..Or maybe, he stopped somewhere for a few minutes to check his email, like the Kiosks on the Parkway rest areas or an internet cafe..

1/22/2006 12:12 AM  
Blogger Chillin in The Lake said...

Please Semgirl Start a new post...

1/22/2006 12:33 AM  
Blogger Chillin in The Lake said...

OTD As of yet I dont. I have too much too say for a blog. I am thinking about it very much. Its just very time consuming and I dont have the time it takes to make it right for me and thoes who will comment.
Sorry SG this has nothing to do with your post.

1/22/2006 12:37 AM  
Blogger Flatbushyid said...

SG

Let's see after date shabbos over 6:10, shower, blow dry hair, drive to girl,talk to parents? leave house 7:45 earliest, over by 9:42 hope not. Before date 9:42, hope not. Middle of date, hope not.

1/22/2006 1:20 AM  
Blogger normal1 said...

My oh my, I didnt realize that I need to censor myself in this blog! is everyone so freakin sensitive that I cant have a few opinions that dont kiss peoples behinds?
And most of the things I say, are just obvious. Every GUY here knows that BMG is a type A loser. I dont expect all the women here to understand it.. but youll have to trust me on that.
Geshmaker,
I wont dignify your assesment of me with a lenghty response. Personally, I question all the flirting thats een going on between you and BMG.
Elisheva,
I know your blog has been real slow lately, but no reason to take over SG's blog. Its a free country and I will have my say if I want to. Please dont try to stop me...especially if your just riding on SG's coattails.
SG
Im sorry I cant pander to you like everyone else. I guess it must mean Im a repressed kollel guy. Talk about closed minded.
Oh... one last thing.

You know SG, it would be ok if you didnt monitor your blog on an hourly basis. really. Find some other interests. It will do you good.
BYE!!

1/22/2006 1:35 AM  
Blogger Benji said...

Great Blog :) Enjoyed reading yours posts.

Benji

1/22/2006 6:46 AM  
Blogger yael said...

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1/22/2006 7:12 AM  
Blogger Jewboy said...

Normal1-Do you have a need to show us that you're a jerk?

1/22/2006 7:24 AM  
Blogger Datingmaster, Jerusalem said...

we want more details about your dating/shidduchim
Did he call back?

1/22/2006 8:01 AM  
Blogger Semgirl said...

DM...very beautiful poem, and its clean for a change, what happened..

Jewboy...apparently he does..

Yael and Benji....Welcome..

Norm1..you are pathetic, Dude..

FY...you took the time to calculate..amazing, someone doesn't have a date with his own wife...lol..

Chillin..I am planning to..

1/22/2006 9:20 AM  
Blogger Flatbushyid said...

SG

My date was over at 1:20,
enjoy your day

1/22/2006 9:51 AM  
Blogger Y.Y. said...

chilin in the lake
normal1 and all your other million screen names
STOP DESTROYING OTHER PPLS BLOGS
GET A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1/22/2006 12:02 PM  
Blogger Parsha Potpourri said...

Ok, this is scary. I just popped in to check what's doing here since before Shabbos, and there's comment 100 just waiting for me - again! I am hearby mafkir bifnei shalosh comments 150, 200, etc.

Congrats SG, although as I read these comments I can't help but feel that there's no actually discussion going on. As much as the comments on your last post were also tangential (buying clothes for dates, SN and NJG), at least there was _some_ substance. Here's hoping _nobody_ gets to take comment 150 or 200!

Off to start working on Parshas Vaeira...

1/22/2006 12:18 PM  
Blogger Chillin in The Lake said...

YY I am one and only one. No other SN. And how am I ruining the blog if Im only one person with one SN.

1/22/2006 12:44 PM  
Blogger Semgirl said...

YY..Thanks for your support.. Although, I would tend to believe Chilling.. I sense, he isn't the same person as Normal..

1/22/2006 1:16 PM  
Blogger bmgbochur said...

sorry no date last night.
thanks everyone for trying to figure out my schedule.
better luck next time (week)!

1/22/2006 2:46 PM  
Blogger Chillin in The Lake said...

Semgirl am I in any way destroying your blog???

1/22/2006 3:07 PM  
Blogger Semgirl said...

Chilling...not at all your comments are always respectful..

1/22/2006 3:34 PM  
Blogger Elisheva said...

I shouldn't dignify 'normal' with a response, but I couldn't resist.

I take as a compliment that you had no respnse to my comments other that to state that my three lines devoted to you were 'taking over SG's blog'. We'll leave it to everyone to see the intelligence in that.

And hey, why not leave it to everyone to see how intelligent 'normal' is seeing how he completely missed the point of my comment? No one ever suggested you can't say anything you want. YOU were the one who went on a rant about how why should anyone care about what each commenter said. I just wanted to know according to YOUR OWN reasoning, why you thought anyone cared about what you said?

Obviously this was lost on your intellignce, and you go on about people trying to shut you up. No they are just trying to show you how you don't even understand your own words.

Shalom anyway, and sorry SG, just thought this was too glaring. i know 'normal' won't get it and will just have a nasty response. I just thought everyone else would get a laugh out of how these people who come on for the kicks of putting everyone else down are too dumb to realize their own trancparency.

1/22/2006 4:35 PM  
Blogger bmgbochur said...

elisheva,
thanks for sticking up for me, I just never hoped that it would end up in an argument with normal1.
come on, I think you know I hate arguing

1/22/2006 5:42 PM  
Blogger so ch'sidish said...

anybody know of a lubavitcher boys/girls blog??

1/22/2006 6:47 PM  
Blogger Datingmaster, Jerusalem said...

thanks semgirl
in real life I am a very clean guy and very respected
in Blogging land, I fantasise a little
when you are married and have a few kids you will realize that intimacy is a very important part of marriage especially for the woman
sorry if this makes you blush

1/23/2006 3:16 AM  
Blogger normal1 said...

Elisheva,
I am very hurt right now. I don't know how I will cope. You called me DUMB! am I a stupid idiot too?
Please, if we are going to talk about MY intelligence, try not to talk like a 6 year old.
But while were on the point, I don't care what people think of my comments. I just make them. Yes, you, and the "feminine" BMG bochur need validation, but not me.
as for your comments
"I just thought everyone else would get a laugh out of how these people who come on for the kicks of putting everyone else down are too dumb to realize their own trancparency."
I guess YOU don't come on for kicks, you serve some higher purpose here. Thats what i meant earlier when I said you take this blogging WAY to seriously.
As for your intelligence, which you seem to be strangely proud of-you spelled transparency wrong.
BYE!

1/23/2006 10:49 AM  
Blogger Mata Hari said...

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1/23/2006 11:32 AM  
Blogger Mata Hari said...

elisheva - i believe the phrase is "kol hagodol mechaveiro, yitzroh gadol heimenu" (or something to that effect) - we girls learn this stuff too.

re the much maligned fantasy on the island - sounds pretty tame to me. although i don't know why he has to be yeshivish. are you afraid of a culture clash out there on the island amidst the jasmine semgirl?

chillin - you might want to look up the definition of oxymoron

1/23/2006 11:38 AM  
Blogger AMSHINOVER said...

http://www.bartleby.com/61/wavs/71/S0107100.wav

1/23/2006 12:40 PM  
Blogger geshmaker said...

i don't know about anyone else, (actually i think i do know, but i don't think anyone will agree with me) but i think normal1 is FUNNY. not laugh-AT-you funny. but rather laugh-WITH-you funny. he does raise some valid points. and apparently, realizes that this whole "blog" thing should be all about having fun, saying whatever you want, and not giving a damn about what others think!
keep it up!
(also, i promised not to randomly make fun of BMGbochur, so it helps when someone else is doing it for me)

1/23/2006 1:15 PM  
Blogger Semgirl said...

MH .... You obviously didn't go to a Lakewood Bais Yaacov, lol..
As for the fantasy, I just wrote the first thing that came to mind, and what I relate to..

Normal and Geshmaker...I sincerely suggest you look in the Chofetz Chaim sefer, there is no heter to hurt someone, if you are only having fun or 'laughing with/at ' etc.. And I highly doubt Bais Din Shel Maala will make such a distinction either...

1/23/2006 2:36 PM  
Blogger bmgbochur said...

hi everyone!

on a serious note, someone 'red' a shidduch for me and the girl is older, is it something wrong to go out with her (because she's older) or what is the diffrence.

I would like to hear both sides, from the girls point of view, meaning to girls care if they are older then their husbonds, or not.
and also if guys care if the girl is older or not.

also what is a normal age that a 23 yr old should go out with? an 18 yr old? isn't it a big age gap, also what about a 24 or 25 or for that matter a 26 or 27 yr old guy going out with a 18 year old.

Thanks.

(sg, sorry the topics died out, so I wanted to get some topic rolling)

I want to hear ALL SIDES OF THE ARGUMENTS

1/23/2006 3:08 PM  
Blogger Mata Hari said...

SG - no, not to Lakewood. but i did go to mainstream bais yaakov type schools. we heard these kinds of quotes all the time.

bmg - i really really really don't think you can generalize about something like that. i personally think that women should marry younger men bec. women have a longer lifespan, lol
if you meet someone you get along with, who brings out the best in you and whom you're attracted to, how much difference does it make if she's a year older, in the larger scheme of things?

1/23/2006 3:19 PM  
Blogger Semgirl said...

Absolutely, MH .. I tried telling him that last week..

1/23/2006 3:26 PM  
Blogger geshmaker said...

why am i being grouped together with Normal1? i don't even like him/her. i just said i think he's funny. (i wrote "him/her" because i thought it would be cool if normal1 was really a girl and had us all fooled.) i can't help it if i read something and laugh. it was just a reflex. so i know you like quoting the chofetz chaim and mussar sforim and the like. but, let's leave bes din shel ma'aloh decisions to those upstairs. besides anyone who gets insulted and takes what an obvious jerk like normal says seriously is laughable anyways. (and for the future it's either the sefer "chofetz chaim" or the "chofetz chaim's sefer" as doesn't sound so repectful calling it "the chofetz chaim sefer" like lehavdil the "robert ludlem book")
bmgb- you closed your blog so that you can protect whatever reputation you have. with that in mind, posting every day (sometimes a few times a day) does not help much as everyone can see that you still spend most of your free non-seder hour in front of a computer on-line. at least reopen your blog so we can see your take on the important going on's of bmg and the irv.
also, is the older girl that was "red" to you "IY"Hbyme" by any chance?

1/23/2006 3:50 PM  
Blogger geshmaker said...

yey 120th post!!!!!!!!!!!!

1/23/2006 3:51 PM  
Blogger geshmaker said...

whoop-de-damn-do.
see, didn't that look stupid and a tad feminine?
v'hamevin yovin!

1/23/2006 3:52 PM  
Blogger Halfnutcase said...

i don't think it matters much, i mean 1 or two years (and personaly (i'd say up to about 5 years older, but that's just me, i'm not picky about having someone young) i don't see the real big difference.

and that is an excelent point about life spans. i don't think i ever looked at it quite that way.

1/23/2006 3:54 PM  
Blogger LakewoodWorkingGuy said...

Who's blog is this, is it SemGirls or BMGB?

There is nothing wrong with dating, or even marrying a girl older than you ! She is going to boss you around either way!

1/23/2006 4:52 PM  
Blogger Limey2001 said...

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1/23/2006 5:06 PM  
Blogger Semgirl said...

Limey..unfortunately, I dont know what you are talking about.. What is Raintree ?

1/23/2006 5:41 PM  
Blogger Limey2001 said...

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1/23/2006 6:00 PM  
Blogger Erica said...

is this you?: http://blogcentral.jpost.com/newsItems/viewFullItem$393

1/23/2006 7:40 PM  
Blogger Semgirl said...

limey..sorry I didnt even know that the YeshivaWorld blog existed till a minute ago when I saw your comment, so you are obviously talking about someone else..

1/23/2006 9:10 PM  
Blogger Semgirl said...

erica.. no its not..actually a month ago I emailed them and complained that I had the semgirl identity long before they did but they never responded..

1/23/2006 9:13 PM  
Blogger Jewboy said...

It's better not to know of Yeshivaworld. Checkou out my post on this matter.

1/23/2006 9:28 PM  
Blogger Semgirl said...

Thanks for the heads up, Jewboy..

1/23/2006 10:41 PM  
Blogger Josh said...

Stepford Wives = Kollel Wives

LOL

I don't know if you realized how much truth lies in that one line. I guess any culture that expects women to live vicariously through their husbands will have to deal with vainglorious attempts by the women to assert themselves in some superficial manner. Unfortunately, the same Heilige social pressures that keep men in kollel don't keep women from shopping all day. Aishes Chayil Mi Yimtza?

1/24/2006 7:24 AM  
Blogger On The Derech said...

Josh - Is that a guy's point of view or the kollel wife's?

I dont think that women normaly see themselves as a stepford wife who has to 'live vicariously' thru their husbands. That's a silly way to put it and i feel like you dont fully apreciate Kollel life or even the frum ideal of marriage. Their is a certain balance which is expected. Just because the women is meant to be the 'akeres habayis' doesnt mean she has no life! Trust me!

1/24/2006 9:39 AM  
Blogger normal1 said...

I finally get it. Now that I went back and read Elisheva's first post she ever wrote. I was starting to wonder why Elisheva and Semgirl were so attached at the hip. It is clear to me now that theres a little bit of "Brokeback Seminary" going on there.
NOW I get all the Yeshiva boy bashing.

There, I feel much better now.

1/24/2006 11:28 AM  
Blogger Mata Hari said...

normal1 - that's just plain mean.

1/24/2006 11:43 AM  
Blogger geshmaker said...

i'm not sure what normal1's problem is. you don't have to voice everything that comes to your mind. (i know i didn't in this regard) he reminds me of a guy i sat next to in the mir. all he did the whole second seder was make fun of and degrade this poor bochur who sat in front of us. whether it was his baseball team or his football team, or just anything the guy said was open for ridicule and misinterpritation. norm seems to have the same M.O. i wonder if this "tough guy attitude is to compensate for shortcomings in another department???
(i still think he is funny though!)

1/24/2006 11:46 AM  
Blogger geshmaker said...

BTW- almost bein hasdorim. i can't wait to hear how BMG-B will defend the poor maligned bnos yisroel's honor.

1/24/2006 11:48 AM  
Blogger geshmaker said...

yay 138!!!!!!!!!!

1/24/2006 11:49 AM  
Blogger geshmaker said...

.............and139!!!!!
I RULE!!!!!!
and i reserve the rights to 264 if this post chas v'shalom doesn't run out of inane things to discuss before then.

1/24/2006 11:50 AM  
Blogger Dave J. said...

normal1 said... I finally get it. Now that I went back and read Elisheva's first post she ever wrote. I was starting to wonder why Elisheva and Semgirl were so attached at the hip. It is clear to me now that theres a little bit of "Brokeback Seminary" going on there.

Dude what is this obsession with Elisheva about? I must say you have a good sense of humor, but you got to get off the tree about Elisheva you seem more mature then that.

geshmaker said... I RULE!!!!!!
and i reserve the rights to 264 if this post chas v'shalom doesn't run out of inane things to discuss before then.


Keep posting empty posts, and you will get there pretty fast… Wow someone has lots of time on their hands today..

1/24/2006 12:27 PM  
Blogger normal1 said...

m.b said...
"Dude what is this obsession with Elisheva about? I must say you have a good sense of humor, but you got to get off the tree about Elisheva you seem more mature then that."
I think obsessed is a strong word. I'm just trying to be friends with her.. it seems to be working.

1/24/2006 12:58 PM  
Blogger Semgirl said...

Oh, no , Normal1.. Dont tell me you have a crush on her, too.. There is a long line on and offline, lol..

1/24/2006 1:58 PM  
Blogger typically frum said...

anybody there?

1/24/2006 2:28 PM  
Blogger Jewboy said...

Normal1-You're a sick person. It's clear that you have no life so you have to get your kicks from harassing people on blogs.

1/24/2006 4:54 PM  
Blogger Halfnutcase said...

i hesitate to point this out, because my bet is semgirl has already noticed, but the comments here are getting pretty out of control. alot of totaly random commenting going on.

idk, just my two cents.
HNC

1/24/2006 6:29 PM  
Blogger bmgbochur said...

HNC-
yot got a good point

geshmaker:
I'm back- hey bein hasodorim, haha

semgirl:
can you get some topic (good and heated) going?

elisheve (semstory):
I still miss your comments and posts, puhlease come back, I never meant to chase

1/24/2006 8:57 PM  
Blogger ThinkingJew said...

May I point out that Normal1 keeps harping back to a ceratin of LE7s posts and it is obvious that all the fake BMG B posts are his as they too go on about the same thing. So it seems for all his 'maturity' Normal1 is more than a tad obsessed with LE7s, her body and every little word she said about a certain topic.
It doesn't help to hide behind a fake name. You are so obsessed it shows right through. A little more self-control would have kept us wondering. Be a man and if you want to know something about a girl, ask her straight out. Lewd comments as if you ridicule something you obviously can't get out of your mind are for little boys.

1/24/2006 9:11 PM  
Blogger Semgirl said...

Its so sad, Normal, sounds like when I was 14, by a relative's Simcha, and they are a lil more modern. Anyway, some of the boys would stick their foot out and try to trip me, or leave cake on the seat before you sit down, And this was their way of saying they like you.

1/24/2006 11:37 PM  
Blogger normal1 said...

Just to set the record straight,
Thinkingjew,
I made one reference to Elishevas lesbian post...why would you say im harping on it? Just curious
And Semgirl,
you truly need to pick up on sarcasm a little better. Lakewood rebels are really not my speed. And whats with all the name calling? you keep preaching about hurting people, even on blogs is terrible, and all you do is bash me.
Personally SG, I think you have a little crush on me. But thats ok
Good nite!

1/25/2006 12:40 AM  
Blogger bmgbochur said...

geshmaker:
this is for you:
YAY POST # 150

good night all.

1/25/2006 12:48 AM  
Blogger Semgirl said...

Personally SG, I think you have a little crush on me. But thats ok


Ok, you found me out, I'm just attracted to your sardonic wit and charm.. NOT..

1/25/2006 9:43 AM  
Blogger ms. shtark said...

Yay!!! I am back! Wow, it seems like the most action goes on while I am gone. Since this has seemed to have turned basically into a shidduch thread once again, and me just ending something (don't worry it was mutual - those are the best), I will add my 2 cents.
First of all, I just want to say that the system has to change. I don't know how. Maybe single events should become more kosher like that the ppl who would go would be solid girls and boys not just going to hang out with the opposite sex. It should just become allowed once a girl and boy reach marriageable age that they have certain more easy methods of hooking up. do i sound retarded? i don't know but something better has to be worked out.
about dating older girls, as long as it is within a normal range, i see no problem.
fy, i see your point about a 24 yr old girl dating a 23 yr old and how she has more dating experience so there may be issues arising, but that is not always the case. i know alot of ppl including myself who started dating later because they did not feel ready. i personally started when i was just about 21. i was enjoying life and chilling out before deciding to settle down. also, i think it is imp to find yourself and know who you are before getting married and living with someone else (not that u don't cont to grow and mature still after marriage but u know waht i mean)
so yeah i would date guys younger than me (and i have) but u have to look at each case individually; find out personality, style and see if things will match. u cant just make a blanket statement abt it.
oh, and yeah,,, ladies do tend to live about an average of 6 yrs longer so go for it!!

1/25/2006 10:00 AM  
Blogger normal1 said...

Semgirl said...
"Ok, you found me out, I'm just attracted to your sardonic wit and charm"
See, doesn't that feel better now that you got that out of your system? Now we can take the next step in our relationship...though I would prefer if we went just a little slower than you and stud man Yossi "lets grope each other in the theater before we know each other's names" went.
Is that OK with you? you know, you may not realize it- but I'm more the romantic type.

1/25/2006 10:17 AM  
Blogger Mata Hari said...

normal1 - sardonic...
i'm impressed

1/25/2006 10:31 AM  
Blogger IY"HbyME said...

hi everybody.
wow, allot has gone on since the last time i posted. sorry it's been so long, but i get online so infrequently that i barely have time to check my email let alone check out the blogs and comment. but today, i'm taking off a class so i have time.
i'm sure you all guessed it by now. the "older girl" in BMG-bochur's life was me. i'll have to admit i was a bit taken aback by how abruptly he answered, "i'm sorry, i don't date older girls". and although there have been a few valid points about the pros and cons of an older girl dating a younger boy. the one i would have to agree with most is the guy who wrote about the dating experience. i have to admit that even the guys who are older then me are a bit "unpolished", and most of them have been dating for a while.
Ms. Shtark- i agree with you, there has to be some sort of permissible way for singles to meet. i mean, here we are making friends on-line at blogs, and in the back of everyone’s mind, is "hey, this guy sounds cute, i wonder if he would be a good shidduch for me" (all you girls, don't tell me you never thought that about bmgb, or any of the other frum single guys posting on these blogs) and even if there was a way to arrange it, there is always that nagging thought that who says there ill be any sort of physical attraction. maybe he'll think i'm unattractive, or i'll think he's ugly. i mean there are so many variables, it is scary. it's not like we can email each other pictures if ourselves, so we're just left with the knowledge that the odds of any shidduch happening through the "blogosphere" is slim-to-none. :(

i don't know when the next time i'll be able to comment, but you can always send me an email. and i'll be checking out the blogs every now and then.

{still waiting for an email from you know who ;) }

1/25/2006 12:45 PM  
Blogger bmgbochur said...

iyhbyme:
sorry if I insulted you, I never meant I don't go out with older girls„as a fact, only that I have never in the past, and I'm not sure if you will be my first.
secondly the question about an older girl that I posted was not about you, it was about a shidduch that was 'red'-sorry.

ms.shtark:
great post, I was thinking about opening up my blog again (geshmaker is getting nervous) in order to write what you just wrote above, (i though about writing it a week ago? wtvr)
there was an article in the jewish press about it (i guess the yated sensored it) that by chasunahs there should be a table for girls and boys that are in shiduchim in order for them to get to know each other, and maybe work out shidychim between themselfs or for freinds.
honestly when I meet by some chance a girl, (and its not for me!) I will think of a guy who it may be good for.
the same thing goes for mixed meals by shabbos tables, what can be so wrong? its a controled environment.
I personaly know a few people that met by simchas/shabbos meals, and are happily married, and would of never met otherwise.

yes lakewood would freak out about such an idea, but who cares.

I was by a friends wedding 2 weeks ago, and the chosson said, nu did you find someone you like? I answered did you expect me to go to the girls side by dancing? not so fast. I told him, 'you should of made a table for the guys and girls' he answered, "i thought about it with my kallah, but the hall warned that if there is any mixed seating they will end the wedding right there"
I guess that is what happened with that night..
all it takes is some brave soul to make the first move, and I think more will follow.
M.S.- there actually is a shabbos for singles, I think your to young for it, but they go around every guy meeting every girl over shabbos, and shidduchim have been made.
maybe they should start that for the younger guys and girls,?????

1/25/2006 2:44 PM  
Blogger LakewoodWorkingGuy said...

I am not commenting on this conversation but I would like some feedback from BY girls, who went through the system, on my last post on my blog.

1/25/2006 3:03 PM  
Blogger ms. shtark said...

yeah, I heard of the shabbaton. It is for 26 year olds and up and still it is not so accepted even then. i agree with the idea about weddings. or at least, there should be some mixing of singles l'toeles in the hall like after a chupa or something. And ppl should know it is for a purpose and not just to mix. no i have not gone off the deep end yet.

1/25/2006 7:05 PM  
Blogger bmgbochur said...

ms shtark:
who thought you went off the deep end?
I think its a great idea and should be implemented by weddings. maybe explain it to the roshei yeshiva, this way if they see a guy speaking to a girl before/after the chuppah they will understand what is going on and not think they went off the deep end.
another reason that the wedding is a good place to meet is because most girls prepared(ie. got there hair down, some their nails...) and are dressed very pretty, so why get dressed up for another date? you can chat up a bit, and see if you like him/her or not.
I'm serious about this. it should be done.
and I do not look at Y.B. (a famous camp aguda guy who met his wife by a shabboton) in a bad way, I'm actually very happy and proud for hime (he had a baby a week ago)
ok kosherica singles cruise, is a bit to far, but chasunahs, engagements, you've got the right ages there. WHY NOT??

ms. shtark, I was hoping maybe If you got engaged you would implement it by your wedding or engagment :)

1/25/2006 7:48 PM  
Blogger Masmida said...

wow. most of that was not really worth reading.

mixed seating at weddings wouldn't work unless everyone there is over a years into shidduchim otherwise....
no one really knows what to do.

1/25/2006 9:33 PM  
Blogger ms. shtark said...

you are right masmida, no one knows what to do but who knew what to do on their first ever date when you had like zero to do with guys if you were a good bais yaakov girl before that? you kind of have to wing it and feel your way thru..
bb, maybe i would do that when i get engaged iy"h, i know some of my friends would go for it.

1/25/2006 10:15 PM  
Blogger ms. shtark said...

oh and bb, it is not "if i get engaged", it is "when i get engaged"

1/25/2006 10:24 PM  
Blogger bmgbochur said...

ms. shtark:

sorry if I came across in a negative way, I hate email and blogs.
what I meant was, if you "got" engaged, that is if you would of got engaged this week, then you would have been the one to start a dating scene by engagements.
I'm sure that iyh you will get engaged soon...
not if but when.... :)
good luck

1/25/2006 10:53 PM  
Blogger ms. shtark said...

k, no offence taken bmg b. i was just being annoying. i know what you meant.
even if i would have gotten engaged, trust me that that kind of thing would not be going on at the engagement party. just wasn't the type. if i put up more details i could get into big trouble so i better shut up.

1/25/2006 11:38 PM  
Blogger Halfnutcase said...

actualy rav tendler did exactly that, his wedding had mixed seating specificaly so that boys and girls could mingle and get to know each other, and maybe date. (he was rav moshe feinstiens son in law) so you got to know it's ok to do.

and actualy, i think that getting the boys and girls together in groups, like half and half to a table, (of course you make sure boys and girls don't sit exactly side by side, but there are ways to work that out) and then the boys and girls will be able to talk to each other, and hopefully get to know each other. i mean in groups they'll probably be more open about talking and the like, so just maybe they'd be able to get past things.

1/26/2006 2:19 PM  
Blogger Semgirl said...

HNC.... You are so refreshingly and naively out of town.. I thought of the chance of this happening in Lakewood, then I laughed so hard I fell off my chair..

1/26/2006 2:47 PM  
Blogger bmgbochur said...

first off:
mazel tov to semstory, aka elisheva, acording to her blog she got engaged in the past month.
iyh by everyone out there in blog world soon.

secondly:
sg:
.. I thought of the chance of this happening in Lakewood, then I laughed so hard I fell off my chair..

hope you didn't hurt yourself, ok in lakewood it won't happen but in brooklyn, 5 towns, monsey etc. why not????
I thought of it and didn't fall of my chair, and when I spoke to lakewood people (living here 30 years) they didn't either, they thought its a great idea.

there is a grocery store somewhere out there that has flirting spot throughout the store where singles can meet each other, you can tell whose single, its the guy or girl holding the small cart with one yoguart one mellon one piece of chicken...
maybe do that in lakewood??? maybe in shoprite or the co-op??
or better yet at bagel nosh while everyone is waiting for their order, there should be a married/taken line and then singles/available lane.

I'm still sitting. didn't fall off yet.

1/26/2006 3:26 PM  
Blogger LakewoodWorkingGuy said...

I know a few shadchanim that will introduce a girl to a boy at a wedding, she would have them have a little chat and if they both felt that it would be a good date the shadchan would then call the parents to look into it(usualy the parent would know about it before).

1/26/2006 3:28 PM  
Blogger Elisheva said...

Yes, I am still here and commenting. Thanks for the mention and wishes BB. Pity my friend SemGirl hasn't been on yet obviously. But I did let her know before I posted.

About the mixed tables at weddings, I just don't think so. Like maybe it burns out after a while the hormones and stuff, but hello? Who are we fooling? Young, teens or young 20s all dressd up and together with raging hormomes? Are we really trying to imply we would all use our brains and not other things?

If a shadchan, who knows there is compatibility not just looks, introduces a couple at a wedding that is like pefect, and yes that happens all the time, even in Lakewood. But otherwise, much as the dating system like need a MAJOR overhaul, I just don't think this is the right way. We do have to recognize our weaknesses. Or maybe it's just me? I don't think so.

Shalom

1/26/2006 4:22 PM  
Blogger On The Derech said...

Elisheva - I'm with you on that. It's just totaly against everything the frum system stands for! How can we promote mixed functions?!

1/26/2006 5:03 PM  
Blogger ms. shtark said...

i see both sides. i don't necessarily think it would work at weddings but maybe planned single events with a speaker or an activity run by frum ppl that are reliable.... i know it sounds nerdy but wtvr.

1/26/2006 5:16 PM  
Blogger Masmida said...

[raised eyebrows]

Okay, let's get this straight....
Because we're all twenty something, therefore we're all so utterly repressed from lack of interaction with the opposite gender, that given any chance of interaction we will immediately behave inappropriatly.

or in other words...

all seperting genders does is make everyone think of the opposite gender in solely sexual terms.

so if that we can't actually relate to guy/girls as individuals with aspirations, goals, struggles in short full living growing human beings...

no wonder there are so many troubled marriages in the frum world.

[note: this is not to bash seperate education in general, it is important necessary and benifical. But I wish that teachers would that a non-platonic relationship is more complex simply a sexual one.]

1/27/2006 10:53 AM  
Blogger Malka said...

Thanks for the birthday wishes! :-)

1/27/2006 11:23 AM  
Blogger Halfnutcase said...

masmida, thats exactly how i feel about it, and thats really why i think that we need as a group to find healthy, chaperonable outlets for boys and girls to meet and get to know each other on some level, beggining like tome time around 15 to 17, so that they can relate to the opisite sex as a more meaningfull way that simple sexuality

although i do also think that things got this way because if a boy and girl decide to marry, halachicaly noone can stop them, and indeed its their very perogative to chose, therefore i feel that in response to this so perents have a greater amount of control they minimized the oppertunities for singles to meet, justifying it with a severely warped interpretation of mishnaavos 1:5 (i think could be sourcing it wrong) the funny thing is you cant even use something from perkei avos as the basis of a halachic practice because my definition perkei avos is above the bottom line while halacha is my deffinition the bottom line.

(and like masmida i'm not bashing the idea of keeping them reasonably seperate, just the idea that going to the right of the middle way is in any way halachicaly appropriate)

1/27/2006 11:58 AM  
Blogger Semgirl said...

You are welcome Malka, many many more..

1/27/2006 2:28 PM  
Blogger Semgirl said...

Masmida and HNC, once again you are both totally on the money..

1/27/2006 2:30 PM  
Blogger bmgbochur said...

masmida and hnc, its a good idea, but to start letting guys meet girls ok mingle together like the bnei akiva social scenes in israel, at the age of 15, it is engrained in them, that its not just platonic, they realize that hey girls are about something.
to start out as little kids playing together is a good idea, but then seperation is school ruins it, but yes more work gets done because you don't have to show off to the girls.
the idea of weddings I still think is better then 15-17 year olds getting to know each other, because there would never be any toeles in that,
while 18-23 they know this has a posibility for marriage and will look at the whole mingling thing diffrently,

good shabbos

1/27/2006 2:56 PM  
Blogger Halfnutcase said...

first off, you make them mingle in controlled situations to TEACH THEM that girls are people before they're "about something" (what ever that means) this way they don't get so hung up on shallow issues like appearance and have no concept of girls as people when they are 18 and they can actualy learn to relate to them first. better to learn to actualy like control themselves under controlled conditions, and to learn to get past it before they're dating and all of a sudden blinded by the onslaught of new thoughts and feelings.

that said in addition, the boys will not learn less, the only time they'll learn worse is if they never learned to master their passions and their mind, if we give them an oppertunity to learn then they will, if we demand that they do, and then they'll be better people for it. better equiped to be married, better equiped to consider the person they are dating, and better equiped not to A marry the wrong person, and B be able to talk to and think about said person as a human being.

if you wait to start all this till they can get married immediately, and there is little reason to restrain and control their thoughts, they'll never learn to and women in their eyes will be forever more nothing but objects to them.

and like i've said, halacha no-where says you can't talk to them. perkei avos says not to talk excessively, but that basicaly means with out a purpose, there is a purpose here, to help them grow so they're ready for marraige.

1/28/2006 7:38 PM  
Blogger bmgbochur said...

"TEACH THEM that girls are people before they're "about something" (what ever that means)"

HNC: you know exactly what it means.
any guy who is 12-13 knows exactly what a girl is, and what they are about, don't fool me that no kid knows, we aren't so sheltered, sorry, but when you put them together at 16 years old do you think they will only shmuz? or will they flirt?
why don't you go to a park and see who the kids are that are shmuzing with girls??? the 23 year olds? or the 16 year olds? trying to pick up the girl????
I wonder.

I still stand behind the idea of weddings„that is meeting each other then.
it is controled and yes every guy knows why he is going out with a girl (and if he doesn't he may need therapy!) and I don't think anything wrong if it is for a tachlis.
so obvisuly, a guy who is a yeshivsh brisk guy, to socialize with a michlela esther girl by a wedding would be rather useless, but if they are on the same wave length ofcourse!!!

and yes I second the pirkei ovos, it is excesive talking- otherwise how can someone talk to their wife, they are included also.

1/28/2006 8:40 PM  
Blogger Semgirl said...

HNC...I would tend to agree with you, but you have to realize that a lot of this is based on ratiobale and logic, but rather om playing the "I'm frummer then you" game..

1/29/2006 12:34 AM  
Blogger Halfnutcase said...

semgirl:
and that is the part that hurts. i think tanya says something about someone recognizing their station in life, and being happy with the nisyonos they where given, and working with them instead of comparing them to the next person.

i hope we would quit all these comparisons soon and just get along, and unfortunately hashem wont help us there we have to do it ourselves.

the funniest thing is that we don't really celebrate as a culture the person who never worked at it to attain what he has. as a culture we celebrate yosef to whom potiphar made her self available, who tried to seduce him, and we celebrate his victory over his yeitzer. we celebrate the victories of our imos who lived in some of the most depraved houses in the world and yet rejected the influences, and we celebrate avraham who grew up also in that culture and he rejected it at the age of three. we do NOT celebrate yitzchak with the same alacraty (how many times are you told to remember things that yitzchak did? in comparison to the other forebarers practicaly never. and my suggestion for the reason for this is that yitzchak grew up for his entire life a prince, he had no real nisyonos except for his acceptance of the akeida and a small famine, he lived the "frum" life, the other forebarers didn't, instead they MADE the frum life for themselves, and in the end who do we end up emulating? yiztchak. the most under refered of them all. it's a real irony.

sorry for the semi rant, which is totaly a tangent on the thread.

1/29/2006 10:26 AM  
Blogger Y.Y. said...

on to comment #500

1/29/2006 10:43 AM  
Blogger Masmida said...

you mean yosef...
who spent the first seventeen years of his life learning with Ya'akov avienu...

uh huh.

consider why yitzchak is considered the model of gevurah.

1/29/2006 12:57 PM  
Blogger my bald sheitel said...

i loved gateway to self-knowledge. need to get a hold of gateway to happiness. am a big pliskin fan. good call to have it on your 4 favorites. on our anniversary i got Y to go through some of the traits with me and answer revealing questions. he hated it but i loved it.

1/29/2006 3:53 PM  
Blogger Semgirl said...

Nice to hear from you, MBS... And its a relief to get away from the usual Shidduchim boy-girl chat and talk discuss something else for a change. I love all the Pliskin books too.

1/29/2006 4:01 PM  
Blogger Elisheva said...

I love R' Twersky's books. Do you know he has some based on the Snoopy (Peanuts) cartoons? Someone told me about them. I only saw one and it is like the best!

1/29/2006 6:42 PM  
Blogger Halfnutcase said...

the twerski books are excelent. (we have alot of the snoopy book things he wrote, and so are his living each day etc series

1/29/2006 7:11 PM  
Blogger On The Derech said...

"so obvisuly, a guy who is a yeshivsh brisk guy, to socialize with a michlela esther girl by a wedding would be rather useless, but if they are on the same wave length ofcourse!!!" - BMGB

My questions is, who will monitor that you are only socializing with someone on your own wavelegnth? There is no structure in a system of boys and girls just being friends. I'm sorry, I just dont think it's a good idea at all!

1/30/2006 10:48 AM  
Blogger bmgbochur said...

otd:
yes you have a good point, but personaly I think that a guy can tell if the girl is on the same wave length to begin with.
if a girl walks up to me and starts flirting-( yes it has happened, I may have been mean but I said, nice to meet you and I walked away)- I will know that the wave length is not the same.
there is a difference between talking and flirting.
you usually can tell in a second how they talk, how they dress, how tznius they are etc,
when I was in israel there were some guys that would see a girl walk on the street and try guessing what sem she was in.
every sem. has a diffrent way of dressing, either very yeshivish (chonyata yeshivish that is), then there is very classy, normal, slutty, etc.

sg: time for a new post- it is dead here. hardly any posts.

1/30/2006 2:55 PM  
Blogger On The Derech said...

BMGB - wait! you are on to something!
PLEASE go into this!! I want to know what each Seminary's 'look' is!

1/30/2006 2:56 PM  
Blogger Semgirl said...

BMGb ..I am actually working on a new post. I have had it in my head for over a week, but need the time to work on it.

"if a girl walks up to me and starts flirting-( yes it has happened, I may have been mean but I said, nice to meet you and I walked away"

Cmon ??? Sorry, but I really find that a lil hard to believe. Probably,what happened was that she was just from out-of-town and being friendly, or you didn't find her so attractive.

OTD... its interesting but on Josh's blog (the link is on the side of my blog) he discusses the "Name the Seminary" game at length.

1/30/2006 4:40 PM  
Blogger bmgbochur said...

on the derech:
wow, I never knew that it was a game to play 'name the sem"
if you want email me and I will give you a complete rundown, of the seminaries I know.
I don't want to sound bad or something, but every guy notices the way girls dress.
like if a girl is wearing socks or not, tights or stockings.
naots or open toes, shoes or boots, a skirt which is long or not, a slit or not.
a blouse that has a tznius button, a button that chokes you or low cut.
guys notice everything, and then its a judgment call.
is she walking on king george jumping around and singing etc.

all these things we notice. (at least I did)

like when I was in israel I avoided kikar shabas on erev shabbos, and I went to ben yehuda once when a relative was in israel. its just when you see things you notice it!

1/30/2006 10:05 PM  
Blogger Elisheva said...

Wow, are we doing some advertising here, SG? Hope that works out.

About the sem look. There are definitely some things you can go by, and probably more than we have to go by with guys, though there are some things there too. But there are also exceptions to everything.

1/30/2006 11:13 PM  
Blogger Eshet Chayil said...

What's with the huge ad in the middle of your page? Change it in settings. Put it tiny at the side or the top.

1/31/2006 12:39 PM  
Blogger Halfnutcase said...

the tznius button is rediculous. i mean, the only way any one could see down her shirt (if it fits well) is if he's like standing with his head right next to hers and just trying to look straight down the collar, and that's with out the top button buttoned. why on earth would you add a second button on the inside of the collar? they did it to my best friend and she hated it, it's totaly useless.

(regardless of what you may think, a peice of clothing that adds nothing noticeable to how much things cover up unless the observer is actively trying to do something innappropriate, is NOT tznius, it's stupid, and so is wearing clothing that makes it so you have to wear such things just to cover up!)

1/31/2006 1:28 PM  
Blogger On The Derech said...

I remembe once when i was in high school - One day i had my top botton open (oh no!) and my principal came over to me and said:

"So much of you is showing i feel we are at the beach!"

You cannot imagine how turned off i was!!

But in all honesty, tznius is a great ma'aylah. I realize that now. And as BMGB said - you can always tell a girl by how she dresses....

1/31/2006 4:52 PM  
Blogger ms. shtark said...

hey yeah you can play the sem game! sort of. how about the yeshiva game! Try differences between peekskill, stamford, philadelphia, montreal, belle harbour, waterbury, mir, brisk, mercaz hatorah, ner yisroel, chaim berlin, chofetz chaim, torah vodaas, witz, chevron, lakewood, lakewood east, slobodka, denver, miami beach, .... you get my point. you can make some definitions if a guy wears an undershirt showing with three buttons undone on his shirt, has a really cool haircut with lots of hair in the front and the sides and all styled, wears a cool belt, is greased with oil all the way to his hat brim, the colored shirt or not and even by the way he walks - the swagger or the aidel guy walking looking at his feet. so thats it for the guys - yeah

1/31/2006 5:19 PM  
Blogger ms. shtark said...

also just curious, how do you guys think a bnos chava and meohr and bjj and seminar and bya and ateres girl would dress?

1/31/2006 5:30 PM  
Blogger Semgirl said...

Geee...MS, I hope you didn't date bochurim from all those Yeshivas..

1/31/2006 11:03 PM  
Blogger ms. shtark said...

semgirl, i didn't

1/31/2006 11:46 PM  

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