SEMGIRL

Hi, I was just your typical 19 year old Seminary girl in South Jersey (if you don't know where I mean, you are probably on the wrong blog). We all have nisoynos, challenges, and experiences, both positive and negative. Here is where I have decided to share some of them.

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Location: Lakewood, New Jersey, United States

Tuesday, January 17, 2006

Time for a New Post

First off I want to thank all my readers for a new record of over 300 comments on the last post..

I think that it is time for a new post.. And I am keeping my word that when things quieted down, I would post.

So for starters, let me do the Tag, that Eishes Chayil reminded me about once or twice .

4 Jobs I’ve had in my life

-Babysitting-Tutoring-Bookeeping
-Computer/Database upgrades.

Without a doubt, the most enjoyable job was with computers. That’s where I learned all about the internet, and software and all kinds of fun stuff. It was also the first job that I had outside the hermetically sealed bubble of Bais Yacov and frum society and got to meet, work with and learn about people from all walks of life and various etnicities. It was a real learning experience and I treasure it greatly.

4 Movies I could watch over and over

Kate and Leopold… SciFi, TimeTravel and Romance, it doesn’t get any better than that.. And Hugh Jackman is absolutely the cutest..My heart beats even faster every time I see it.

Stepford Wives..the most recent version.. It is scary how realistic that movie is. Basically, the only difference between the ladies in that movie and on my block is that the ladies on my block are Frum Jews.

TopGun…. A real feel good movie. Its very heartwarming. And the main characters in the movie are so unbelievably handsome, its mesmerizing..

Bridges of Madison County… I cry each and every time I watch it..

4 Places I’ve lived

-Lakewood
-Monsey
-Yerushalyim
-New Hampshire Just for a month, one summer, I loved it up there.

4 TV shows I love to watch

Since I started my blog and going to school I have no time for TV. But sometimes by Lunch in the College lounge I used to be addicted to Bold and the Beautiful
In High School, often I went to my friends to see BH 90210. Actually, my friends in HS were just Yeshivishe versions of the main characters in that show.
I’m also a tremendous West Wing fan

4 places I’ve been to on Vacation

New Hampshire
Orlando and Epcot Center
Israel
Belgium

4 WebPages I visit daily

Elisheva’s Blog
Yahoo
Shoshana
Google, obviously its such an incredible resource..

4 places I’d rather be

In Bnei Brak on a Friday right after Shkia , in the street right near Colel Chazon Ish where you can hear and feel Shabbos Kodesh descending on the earth.

By a close friends Chasana by the dancing when all the girls have different costumes

At the Spa , getting a facial, manicure, and a complete makeover, with the mud treatment

On a tropical island, in a hut that smells of jasmine sipping fragrant wine, snuggled up next to a very cute , tall, muscular bochur who is Yeshivish, but also has Savoir Faire.. (hey a girl can fantasize cant she)

4 Books I’ll read over and over again

-From Sarah to Sara everyone is a role model.
--Gateway to Happiness by H Pliskin
--Farenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury
-- any Harlequin Romance novel, especially the futuristic ones

Now I tag

.… Frumgirl Elisheva TurquoiseBlue HNC

In other news..I recently was emailed a link to Chana’s blog. She writes phenomenally and claims to be 17, although I find it very hard to believe that she isn’t 30, because she is so mature and incredibly articulate. I am looking forward to many great articles from her.

78 Comments:

Blogger Elisheva said...

First comment??? Yay!!!

Now i have to read it...

1/18/2006 12:13 AM  
Blogger Elisheva said...

Okay, now I read it. Thanx for the honorable mention. Truly humbling, and from a blog with over 300!

I'm not sure what this tag thing is all about, plus It'll be boring because I don't watch TV, an not really movies either. But if you could explain it...

And that Friday night in Bnei Brak comment brought back such strong memories, I really have tears in my eyes even now as I am typing. Some thing are just so precious. What I wouldn't give to experience that now again.

Okay, I better go calm down,

Shalom

1/18/2006 12:25 AM  
Blogger Pragmatician said...

While I understand it was new and fascinating to work out there in the "real" world, my experience has taught me that life is easier(not always more interesting) when working by and with frum Jews.
Of course the price to pay is the lousy "pay":)
I know few women who are as bad as the ones on stepford, then again I know very few chassidic ladies.

ps.congrats for the 300+ comments

1/18/2006 6:48 AM  
Blogger FrumSingleGuy said...

If I may comment...sounds to me like you need to find yourself a tall handsome yeshivish charismatic hunk...hmmm Good luck!

Nice selections in your post. LOL, I alos liked the way you interdespersed your "Tags" with comments and explanations. Nice post!

1/18/2006 8:56 AM  
Blogger yeshivaguy said...

"sounds to me like you need to find yourself a tall handsome yeshivish charismatic hunk..."

I don't think "yeshivish" is necessary. And maybe a guy who's a little chunky (aka a guy with a "robust physique") would work?

1/18/2006 9:42 AM  
Blogger FrumGirl said...

Hey... congrats on the 300+ comments... and thank you for tagging me...

I also loved Farenheit 451... and all 'utopian' style books. Its always good to think. I finally had a chance to see Stepford Wives... I did think of you when I saw it! Geshmaker was commenting on the lack of oomph of the movie, not about the overall message that gets you upset...

Can you email me about what this tag is supposed to be... 4 answers to each category listed?

1/18/2006 10:56 AM  
Blogger Y.Y. said...

interesting choices of 4
you seem to be spiritual too.
hope the comments hit 500 soon ;)
have an enjoyable day!

1/18/2006 12:02 PM  
Blogger Looking Forward said...

semgirl i posted my response meme, though its more a meme of threes rhan fours (and i'm terrible about book titles, people names, place names etc... so i dont think mine is all to interesting but i put it up anyway)

anyway, thanks for tagging me. :-)

1/18/2006 5:32 PM  
Blogger Parsha Potpourri said...

Speak for yourself working guy. Nowhere did SG express her desire to make every guy drool and give him something to fantasize about. There's plenty of other sites for that. Keep being your wonderful self SG!

PS Bizarre that I just had to write such a post on Elisheva's blog, though I don't think LWG is the pruste guy who posted over there.

Still sad that there's so many repressed guys whose only outlets are the blogs of young Lakewood girls - perhaps there's a topic for you...

1/18/2006 6:24 PM  
Blogger SemGirl said...

Shev.. you made it this time, thanks

EC.. hope you liked it.

Life is So Good..I'm sorry, funny you mention insider trading, because I actually emailed Shev before I posted.. I am happy whenever, you visit, though.

FY..like you never fantasize about anyone but your wife, GET REAL..

Prag.. I agree with you, but often, you have to take a job where you can get it, especially if you are entry-level.

FSG..thanks

YG .. Personally, I like very slim and muscular.

1/18/2006 6:40 PM  
Blogger SemGirl said...

also interesting was the disparity between the fist and last place you'd "rather be" list, a tad schizo, wouldn't you say?


Its called being well rounded, and having a vareity of interests and desires, I realize thats incomprehensible (yes I realize that might be mispelled) to someone who spent his whole life in the BMG Dorm.

YY..thanks I appreciate it.

MB..its just a very eery movie, funny movie, I know the critcs didn't give it a thumbs up. And asfor your question read my earlier posts and you will have your answer..

Chillin.. you are right I believe Discover mag this month or last had a fascinating article about the difference in the way female and male minds work..
4 is just the Tag, as Eishet presented it to me..

Shy.. are you serious.. The guy who set up the cable-internet in my father's office said that the majority of his customers are 'Chasidic' ppl. One has a TV hid in the fireplace, one in a wall safe. etc..

1/18/2006 6:51 PM  
Blogger SemGirl said...

interesting that "top gun" made your list, not that it isn't a great movie, but i would have thought it was before your time)

Obviously. actually its my mother's favorite mov, and every single trip she takes a portable DVD player and the Top Gun and Wedding Singer DVDs with her , so it grows on you after a while..

1/18/2006 7:16 PM  
Blogger Looking Forward said...

sem girl you have some very widely ranging interests.

and at least to me it seems movies are so much a problem. (at least as long as you excercise good sense!)

and idk, the wide ranging answers to where i want to be makes absolutely perfect sense to me, the better the soul the more taivos it has, and the harder it has to fight them (where is all the avoda of a powerfull yeitzer tov and a weak yetzer hara?)

although sem girl, a friend of mine actualy complains there arent enough jewish men who are tall and take care of their physique

1/18/2006 7:31 PM  
Blogger Chana said...

Thank you so very much for the link..I'm very honored.

As for the Stepford Wives reference- I agree with you...when I first saw that movie, I was frightened.

But then again, The Truman Show (is that the name?) always frightened me, too...

1/18/2006 9:41 PM  
Blogger Elisheva said...

I agree with HNC about the bigger the person, the bigger the tayvos. Actually I think the gemara says that. I guess one of the boys would have the reference for that (or Semgirl with her Artscrol!) Kol hagadol mechavero...

So I think Semgirl is perfectly normal, though I wouldn't use the term well-rounded for this. More like we have a neshama with like huge she'ifos but we also have a human body hashem gave us with like real strong desires. That is so normal. Anyone who denies that is like living the dreamworld some teachers prech in school and it gets nowhere, because it is just so not true.

About the 'insider trading' I did get an e-mail from my friend SG about the new post, but you have to realize that i am not exactly on like half as much as i'd want. Like I missed all Semgirl's 200, 250 and 300th posts. So it was like real cool, and I was so happy that I just logged on and saw the e-mail and clicked over to her and made it on time!

My 'kollel friend' once told me to find out if a certain guy I was being 'red' was in the 'dorm' or the 'Irv'. He said it can really be like a major difference. So I guess Gesh has a point. But he did tell me you can't rule someone out just based on that, but that it could help him just to know.

Shalom

1/18/2006 10:19 PM  
Blogger SemGirl said...

MS...you mean to tell me you never dated an Irv bochur ???

1/18/2006 11:04 PM  
Blogger SemGirl said...

"PS I know this might be hard to believe but I really don't fantasize being with anyone but my wife she is enough for me."

Give me a break.. Either you are full of it, or you are such a big Tzadik, that you should be sitting in front of a Gamarra instead of wasting time on my silly blog. My father said by the Shabbos table that there was a Yungerman who asked the heilger Manchester Rosh Yeshiva Ztz”l, if he could go to a cousin’s wedding. There would be mixed seating, and mingling of the genders, but he’s married and he doesn’t think about other women. The RY answered him. “Zulst mir nisht einreddin kin shtissin, Ich been an altr Yid fin ochzik yor un sibrent mir nuch” (I am an old Jew of eighty yrs and the Yetzer Hara still burns in me.)

1/18/2006 11:11 PM  
Blogger Elisheva said...

I still have no clue what this tag thing is all about, and what I am supposed to do. Just answer the questions? So what is the 'tag' part? Sorry, I guess I never learned that part of the blog world.

1/19/2006 12:34 AM  
Blogger Looking Forward said...

e;isheva, you take each catagory that semgirl listed and you give your four answers to it.

and on the other topic it is so true that anyone who doesn't have a problem with it is ill. i know someone who like soo totaly doesn't and he is very ill.

1/19/2006 6:18 AM  
Blogger Looking Forward said...

her fanasy proves she's alive and healthy, so what? it's not like she's indulging in it, because she said she's been shomer negia scince elul, so why on earth beat her over the head for having a fantasy? i don't see the point, judaism does not condemn people for thoughts. (we're not the other side anyway)

1/19/2006 3:23 PM  
Blogger SemGirl said...

MB...Touche..

EC... Apparently, you use a remote to lower a shelf in a defunct fireplace..

Normal1...
"Semirl- you really need a long cold shower.." Alone ??? Or is that an offer..

Masmida...
"This is bothering me, I'm not sure entirely why, but maybe its the fact that there is one spiritual and one physical and ne'er do the twain meet."

You need to take a chill pill, girl.. I am not a difficult Rambam, I can have contradictions, lol..

1/19/2006 4:20 PM  
Blogger Looking Forward said...

masmida not every one gets to the point where they can appriciate that. i think sem girl is going to get there some time but i think shes still making that transition, she has alot of attachment to holiness, but she has alot of attachment to the mundane too, and i think shes on her way to learning to bring the two together, but not quite yet.

and semgirl, if your still thinking like this, then you may want to wait about thinking about any shidduchim, because once people make this transition their entire taste in the opposite sex changes radicaly, and i wouldn't be suprised if people who make that transition after marrying become increasingly unhappy in their marraiges (though i've not heard of studies to support that much)

and hope you don't mind the unsoliced advice, its there you can take it or leave it, i'm not trying to preach or anything

1/19/2006 6:58 PM  
Blogger Jewboy said...

Call me ignorant, but what the hell is the Irv? I'm gathering that the Irv and the dorm are two different BMG dorms, but what is the difference? At my yeshiva there was the Katz and the Gudelsky, so that's all I know about.

1/19/2006 10:40 PM  
Blogger SemGirl said...

JewBoy...Come to Lakewood and see for yourself..

HNC...Thanks for your wise insights as usual..

OTD..thanks for visiting, always nice to meet someone coming from the same place as me..

Gesh..is there a way to adjust the C Box..

1/19/2006 11:16 PM  
Blogger SemGirl said...

Chillin...I tend to agree with you, but EC asked me to do the Tag, so I did it.. Next case...

Now, I can go back to writing about Shidduchim and Lakewood annoyances..

1/20/2006 8:49 AM  
Blogger shmuel said...

The Irv is for Semgirl and her ilk, and the dorm is for Elisheva's type.

1/20/2006 10:43 AM  
Blogger SemGirl said...

Shmuel...you got that right, although you don't really know Shev, as well as you think, LOL..

1/20/2006 12:06 PM  
Blogger SemGirl said...

ImJustAsking... Sorry if I came off a bit harsh.. I am trying to avoid the conversation spiraling out of control, here..

Try wwww.yoetzet.org , and they should be able to help you..

1/20/2006 12:10 PM  
Blogger Elisheva said...

It's funny to see how people have down pat what type of dorm has the guys for me. I think he had a point, but so was Semgirl.

BTW my brother says the crazy house is mostly chassidish guys.

And Normal, this is SGs blog, but I couldn't resist asking why it is you think anyone cares what YOU think about everyone else's comments???

Shalom

1/20/2006 3:27 PM  
Blogger Sarah Likes Green said...

i've just discovered your blog. well done! it's interesting and enlightening and great to read the opinions, experiences and comments and especially to learn a bit more about lakewood! (never been there but have heard much!)
Good luck with everything :)

1/21/2006 7:55 AM  
Blogger SemGirl said...

Gesh you are funny.. And you are so on the money about normal.. Guess he has to pick on me because his wife would hand him his teeth..

BMG-B personally I dont think you should rule it out only based on age unless you are 23 and she is 28. If its only like a yr, and she's very attractive, and intelligentt and Middosdik give it a shot..

1/21/2006 9:13 PM  
Blogger SemGirl said...

What makes you say..no date. Maybe it was before or after the date..Or maybe, he stopped somewhere for a few minutes to check his email, like the Kiosks on the Parkway rest areas or an internet cafe..

1/22/2006 12:12 AM  
Blogger Benji said...

Great Blog :) Enjoyed reading yours posts.

Benji

1/22/2006 6:46 AM  
Blogger Jewboy said...

Normal1-Do you have a need to show us that you're a jerk?

1/22/2006 7:24 AM  
Blogger SemGirl said...

DM...very beautiful poem, and its clean for a change, what happened..

Jewboy...apparently he does..

Yael and Benji....Welcome..

Norm1..you are pathetic, Dude..

FY...you took the time to calculate..amazing, someone doesn't have a date with his own wife...lol..

Chillin..I am planning to..

1/22/2006 9:20 AM  
Blogger Y.Y. said...

chilin in the lake
normal1 and all your other million screen names
STOP DESTROYING OTHER PPLS BLOGS
GET A LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1/22/2006 12:02 PM  
Blogger Parsha Potpourri said...

Ok, this is scary. I just popped in to check what's doing here since before Shabbos, and there's comment 100 just waiting for me - again! I am hearby mafkir bifnei shalosh comments 150, 200, etc.

Congrats SG, although as I read these comments I can't help but feel that there's no actually discussion going on. As much as the comments on your last post were also tangential (buying clothes for dates, SN and NJG), at least there was _some_ substance. Here's hoping _nobody_ gets to take comment 150 or 200!

Off to start working on Parshas Vaeira...

1/22/2006 12:18 PM  
Blogger SemGirl said...

YY..Thanks for your support.. Although, I would tend to believe Chilling.. I sense, he isn't the same person as Normal..

1/22/2006 1:16 PM  
Blogger SemGirl said...

Chilling...not at all your comments are always respectful..

1/22/2006 3:34 PM  
Blogger Elisheva said...

I shouldn't dignify 'normal' with a response, but I couldn't resist.

I take as a compliment that you had no respnse to my comments other that to state that my three lines devoted to you were 'taking over SG's blog'. We'll leave it to everyone to see the intelligence in that.

And hey, why not leave it to everyone to see how intelligent 'normal' is seeing how he completely missed the point of my comment? No one ever suggested you can't say anything you want. YOU were the one who went on a rant about how why should anyone care about what each commenter said. I just wanted to know according to YOUR OWN reasoning, why you thought anyone cared about what you said?

Obviously this was lost on your intellignce, and you go on about people trying to shut you up. No they are just trying to show you how you don't even understand your own words.

Shalom anyway, and sorry SG, just thought this was too glaring. i know 'normal' won't get it and will just have a nasty response. I just thought everyone else would get a laugh out of how these people who come on for the kicks of putting everyone else down are too dumb to realize their own trancparency.

1/22/2006 4:35 PM  
Blogger Mata Hari said...

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1/23/2006 11:32 AM  
Blogger Mata Hari said...

elisheva - i believe the phrase is "kol hagodol mechaveiro, yitzroh gadol heimenu" (or something to that effect) - we girls learn this stuff too.

re the much maligned fantasy on the island - sounds pretty tame to me. although i don't know why he has to be yeshivish. are you afraid of a culture clash out there on the island amidst the jasmine semgirl?

chillin - you might want to look up the definition of oxymoron

1/23/2006 11:38 AM  
Blogger AMSHINOVER said...

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1/23/2006 12:40 PM  
Blogger SemGirl said...

MH .... You obviously didn't go to a Lakewood Bais Yaacov, lol..
As for the fantasy, I just wrote the first thing that came to mind, and what I relate to..

Normal and Geshmaker...I sincerely suggest you look in the Chofetz Chaim sefer, there is no heter to hurt someone, if you are only having fun or 'laughing with/at ' etc.. And I highly doubt Bais Din Shel Maala will make such a distinction either...

1/23/2006 2:36 PM  
Blogger Mata Hari said...

SG - no, not to Lakewood. but i did go to mainstream bais yaakov type schools. we heard these kinds of quotes all the time.

bmg - i really really really don't think you can generalize about something like that. i personally think that women should marry younger men bec. women have a longer lifespan, lol
if you meet someone you get along with, who brings out the best in you and whom you're attracted to, how much difference does it make if she's a year older, in the larger scheme of things?

1/23/2006 3:19 PM  
Blogger SemGirl said...

Absolutely, MH .. I tried telling him that last week..

1/23/2006 3:26 PM  
Blogger Looking Forward said...

i don't think it matters much, i mean 1 or two years (and personaly (i'd say up to about 5 years older, but that's just me, i'm not picky about having someone young) i don't see the real big difference.

and that is an excelent point about life spans. i don't think i ever looked at it quite that way.

1/23/2006 3:54 PM  
Blogger SemGirl said...

Limey..unfortunately, I dont know what you are talking about.. What is Raintree ?

1/23/2006 5:41 PM  
Blogger Erica said...

is this you?: http://blogcentral.jpost.com/newsItems/viewFullItem$393

1/23/2006 7:40 PM  
Blogger SemGirl said...

limey..sorry I didnt even know that the YeshivaWorld blog existed till a minute ago when I saw your comment, so you are obviously talking about someone else..

1/23/2006 9:10 PM  
Blogger SemGirl said...

erica.. no its not..actually a month ago I emailed them and complained that I had the semgirl identity long before they did but they never responded..

1/23/2006 9:13 PM  
Blogger Jewboy said...

It's better not to know of Yeshivaworld. Checkou out my post on this matter.

1/23/2006 9:28 PM  
Blogger SemGirl said...

Thanks for the heads up, Jewboy..

1/23/2006 10:41 PM  
Blogger Josh said...

Stepford Wives = Kollel Wives

LOL

I don't know if you realized how much truth lies in that one line. I guess any culture that expects women to live vicariously through their husbands will have to deal with vainglorious attempts by the women to assert themselves in some superficial manner. Unfortunately, the same Heilige social pressures that keep men in kollel don't keep women from shopping all day. Aishes Chayil Mi Yimtza?

1/24/2006 7:24 AM  
Blogger Mata Hari said...

normal1 - that's just plain mean.

1/24/2006 11:43 AM  
Blogger SemGirl said...

Oh, no , Normal1.. Dont tell me you have a crush on her, too.. There is a long line on and offline, lol..

1/24/2006 1:58 PM  
Blogger Jewboy said...

Normal1-You're a sick person. It's clear that you have no life so you have to get your kicks from harassing people on blogs.

1/24/2006 4:54 PM  
Blogger Looking Forward said...

i hesitate to point this out, because my bet is semgirl has already noticed, but the comments here are getting pretty out of control. alot of totaly random commenting going on.

idk, just my two cents.
HNC

1/24/2006 6:29 PM  
Blogger SemGirl said...

Its so sad, Normal, sounds like when I was 14, by a relative's Simcha, and they are a lil more modern. Anyway, some of the boys would stick their foot out and try to trip me, or leave cake on the seat before you sit down, And this was their way of saying they like you.

1/24/2006 11:37 PM  
Blogger SemGirl said...

Personally SG, I think you have a little crush on me. But thats ok


Ok, you found me out, I'm just attracted to your sardonic wit and charm.. NOT..

1/25/2006 9:43 AM  
Blogger Mata Hari said...

normal1 - sardonic...
i'm impressed

1/25/2006 10:31 AM  
Blogger Looking Forward said...

actualy rav tendler did exactly that, his wedding had mixed seating specificaly so that boys and girls could mingle and get to know each other, and maybe date. (he was rav moshe feinstiens son in law) so you got to know it's ok to do.

and actualy, i think that getting the boys and girls together in groups, like half and half to a table, (of course you make sure boys and girls don't sit exactly side by side, but there are ways to work that out) and then the boys and girls will be able to talk to each other, and hopefully get to know each other. i mean in groups they'll probably be more open about talking and the like, so just maybe they'd be able to get past things.

1/26/2006 2:19 PM  
Blogger SemGirl said...

HNC.... You are so refreshingly and naively out of town.. I thought of the chance of this happening in Lakewood, then I laughed so hard I fell off my chair..

1/26/2006 2:47 PM  
Blogger Elisheva said...

Yes, I am still here and commenting. Thanks for the mention and wishes BB. Pity my friend SemGirl hasn't been on yet obviously. But I did let her know before I posted.

About the mixed tables at weddings, I just don't think so. Like maybe it burns out after a while the hormones and stuff, but hello? Who are we fooling? Young, teens or young 20s all dressd up and together with raging hormomes? Are we really trying to imply we would all use our brains and not other things?

If a shadchan, who knows there is compatibility not just looks, introduces a couple at a wedding that is like pefect, and yes that happens all the time, even in Lakewood. But otherwise, much as the dating system like need a MAJOR overhaul, I just don't think this is the right way. We do have to recognize our weaknesses. Or maybe it's just me? I don't think so.

Shalom

1/26/2006 4:22 PM  
Blogger Looking Forward said...

masmida, thats exactly how i feel about it, and thats really why i think that we need as a group to find healthy, chaperonable outlets for boys and girls to meet and get to know each other on some level, beggining like tome time around 15 to 17, so that they can relate to the opisite sex as a more meaningfull way that simple sexuality

although i do also think that things got this way because if a boy and girl decide to marry, halachicaly noone can stop them, and indeed its their very perogative to chose, therefore i feel that in response to this so perents have a greater amount of control they minimized the oppertunities for singles to meet, justifying it with a severely warped interpretation of mishnaavos 1:5 (i think could be sourcing it wrong) the funny thing is you cant even use something from perkei avos as the basis of a halachic practice because my definition perkei avos is above the bottom line while halacha is my deffinition the bottom line.

(and like masmida i'm not bashing the idea of keeping them reasonably seperate, just the idea that going to the right of the middle way is in any way halachicaly appropriate)

1/27/2006 11:58 AM  
Blogger SemGirl said...

You are welcome Malka, many many more..

1/27/2006 2:28 PM  
Blogger SemGirl said...

Masmida and HNC, once again you are both totally on the money..

1/27/2006 2:30 PM  
Blogger Looking Forward said...

first off, you make them mingle in controlled situations to TEACH THEM that girls are people before they're "about something" (what ever that means) this way they don't get so hung up on shallow issues like appearance and have no concept of girls as people when they are 18 and they can actualy learn to relate to them first. better to learn to actualy like control themselves under controlled conditions, and to learn to get past it before they're dating and all of a sudden blinded by the onslaught of new thoughts and feelings.

that said in addition, the boys will not learn less, the only time they'll learn worse is if they never learned to master their passions and their mind, if we give them an oppertunity to learn then they will, if we demand that they do, and then they'll be better people for it. better equiped to be married, better equiped to consider the person they are dating, and better equiped not to A marry the wrong person, and B be able to talk to and think about said person as a human being.

if you wait to start all this till they can get married immediately, and there is little reason to restrain and control their thoughts, they'll never learn to and women in their eyes will be forever more nothing but objects to them.

and like i've said, halacha no-where says you can't talk to them. perkei avos says not to talk excessively, but that basicaly means with out a purpose, there is a purpose here, to help them grow so they're ready for marraige.

1/28/2006 7:38 PM  
Blogger SemGirl said...

HNC...I would tend to agree with you, but you have to realize that a lot of this is based on ratiobale and logic, but rather om playing the "I'm frummer then you" game..

1/29/2006 12:34 AM  
Blogger Looking Forward said...

semgirl:
and that is the part that hurts. i think tanya says something about someone recognizing their station in life, and being happy with the nisyonos they where given, and working with them instead of comparing them to the next person.

i hope we would quit all these comparisons soon and just get along, and unfortunately hashem wont help us there we have to do it ourselves.

the funniest thing is that we don't really celebrate as a culture the person who never worked at it to attain what he has. as a culture we celebrate yosef to whom potiphar made her self available, who tried to seduce him, and we celebrate his victory over his yeitzer. we celebrate the victories of our imos who lived in some of the most depraved houses in the world and yet rejected the influences, and we celebrate avraham who grew up also in that culture and he rejected it at the age of three. we do NOT celebrate yitzchak with the same alacraty (how many times are you told to remember things that yitzchak did? in comparison to the other forebarers practicaly never. and my suggestion for the reason for this is that yitzchak grew up for his entire life a prince, he had no real nisyonos except for his acceptance of the akeida and a small famine, he lived the "frum" life, the other forebarers didn't, instead they MADE the frum life for themselves, and in the end who do we end up emulating? yiztchak. the most under refered of them all. it's a real irony.

sorry for the semi rant, which is totaly a tangent on the thread.

1/29/2006 10:26 AM  
Blogger Y.Y. said...

on to comment #500

1/29/2006 10:43 AM  
Blogger SemGirl said...

Nice to hear from you, MBS... And its a relief to get away from the usual Shidduchim boy-girl chat and talk discuss something else for a change. I love all the Pliskin books too.

1/29/2006 4:01 PM  
Blogger Elisheva said...

I love R' Twersky's books. Do you know he has some based on the Snoopy (Peanuts) cartoons? Someone told me about them. I only saw one and it is like the best!

1/29/2006 6:42 PM  
Blogger Looking Forward said...

the twerski books are excelent. (we have alot of the snoopy book things he wrote, and so are his living each day etc series

1/29/2006 7:11 PM  
Blogger SemGirl said...

BMGb ..I am actually working on a new post. I have had it in my head for over a week, but need the time to work on it.

"if a girl walks up to me and starts flirting-( yes it has happened, I may have been mean but I said, nice to meet you and I walked away"

Cmon ??? Sorry, but I really find that a lil hard to believe. Probably,what happened was that she was just from out-of-town and being friendly, or you didn't find her so attractive.

OTD... its interesting but on Josh's blog (the link is on the side of my blog) he discusses the "Name the Seminary" game at length.

1/30/2006 4:40 PM  
Blogger Elisheva said...

Wow, are we doing some advertising here, SG? Hope that works out.

About the sem look. There are definitely some things you can go by, and probably more than we have to go by with guys, though there are some things there too. But there are also exceptions to everything.

1/30/2006 11:13 PM  
Blogger Looking Forward said...

the tznius button is rediculous. i mean, the only way any one could see down her shirt (if it fits well) is if he's like standing with his head right next to hers and just trying to look straight down the collar, and that's with out the top button buttoned. why on earth would you add a second button on the inside of the collar? they did it to my best friend and she hated it, it's totaly useless.

(regardless of what you may think, a peice of clothing that adds nothing noticeable to how much things cover up unless the observer is actively trying to do something innappropriate, is NOT tznius, it's stupid, and so is wearing clothing that makes it so you have to wear such things just to cover up!)

1/31/2006 1:28 PM  
Blogger SemGirl said...

Geee...MS, I hope you didn't date bochurim from all those Yeshivas..

1/31/2006 11:03 PM  

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